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To: Iscool

The issue is ...that translations of the KJV are different than translations of the NIV and are different than translations of the Septuagint... and so on and so on.

The Bible has been copied so many times with so many changes that using strongs becomes one more confusing tool for the solo Scripture crowd.

As Catholic ,I don’t have that problem of confusion because I can see clear teachings on things like the Trinity and many other things through constant, consistent teaching of the Church Fathers and dogmatic councils.

Of course, you always disagree with this but your argument can not be backed up with historical Christian teachings,nor even with clear sources scripture, since the Scriptures are not autographed by the Apostles and we only believe their authenticity because the Catholic church tells us they are authentic.


627 posted on 02/11/2012 8:52:51 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

In other words you don’t bother to read the Bible because it is easier to just believe what someone else tells you.

Says everything when YOU have the insolence to call someone else ignorant .


629 posted on 02/11/2012 10:10:36 PM PST by Lera
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To: stfassisi; Iscool
>> the Catholic church tells us they are authentic.<<

It becomes rather obvious to me that you put your trust in the RCC rather than Christ.

631 posted on 02/12/2012 6:01:13 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi
since the Scriptures are not autographed by the Apostles and we only believe their authenticity because the Catholic church tells us they are authentic.

However, when you read those same scriptures, they tell us and you that your Catholic Church is not authentic...

So who ya gonna believe, your Catholic Church, or God???

The problem is that you guys read and believe what your religion says about God and the scriptures while completely ignoring the scriptures...You don't know what God says, only what you are told He says...

Martin Luther was a Catholic who actually read the scriptures...All those 'heretics' that your religion murdered read and believed the scriptures...They know/knew what God says...

634 posted on 02/12/2012 8:53:19 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: stfassisi; Iscool
Of course, you always disagree with this but your argument can not be backed up with historical Christian teachings,nor even with clear sources scripture, since the Scriptures are not autographed by the Apostles and we only believe their authenticity because the Catholic church tells us they are authentic.

Seriously? You need the Catholic Church to tell you that Paul the Apostle wrote the Bible book Romans?

Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 1:1-7)

How about Ephesians?

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Ephesians 1:1-2)

How about Galatians?

Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia (Galatians 1:1-2)

How about, oh, First and Second Corinthians?

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes, To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (I Cor. 1:1-3)

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (II Cor. 1:1-2)

Or Philemon?

Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, To Philemon our dear friend and fellow worker— also to Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier—and to the church that meets in your home: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Philemon 1:1-3)

In fact, EVERY one of the New Testament books identify the author right there in the beginning of the book (with the exception of Hebrews). You don't need your church to tell you what God already told you. The Bible we have is the Bible HE made sure we have and it is every bit as authoritative, reliable, trustworthy and inerrant as the Old Testament assurance that the Jews had. They knew they had a miraculous gift from God and so can we. STILL!

644 posted on 02/12/2012 4:50:07 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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