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Will Mormons’ racial history be a problem for Mitt Romney?
Washington Post ^ | Jan. 31, 2012 | Daniel Burke

Posted on 02/01/2012 4:11:43 AM PST by Colofornian

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To: Altura Ct.

You dont regard Herman Cain as a leader ???

You dont regard Allen West as a leader ???

I do...I would vote for either...

Both have endorsed Newt...


21 posted on 02/01/2012 5:01:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Whit a minute so you are saying that race matters? Why does it matter if they are black or not?


22 posted on 02/01/2012 5:04:30 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

How did this thread get to be about me ???

I’m not a Mormon...

I’m a Christian...

This is about racist Mormon doctrine...


23 posted on 02/01/2012 5:07:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: Zakeet

It will not hurt Mittens—No blacks would vote for him anyway—they will all vote for their own man Obama.


24 posted on 02/01/2012 5:25:22 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: SueRae

“I’m so disgusted with the whole process this morning, I may go Galt before the election.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I find myself starting to dream of living somewhere where so-called leaders don’t spout nonsense every day. This time is like living in Wonderland, I keep expecting to see the white rabbit and the mad hatter and the red queen screaming, “Off with their heads”...wait a minute, red queen, isn’t it president now?


25 posted on 02/01/2012 5:36:00 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

If Mitt is savaged with this issue, then the elephant in the room will become “why weren’t the teachings of Obama’s church similarly scrutinized?”

Or at least it would provide an opening wide enough to drive a semi through for Mitt to take on the issue of Rev. Wright and liberation theology himself or have his surrogates do it.

I’m not sure Obama wants to go down this path and will probably call the dogs off before it gets too heated. But I might be wrong.


26 posted on 02/01/2012 5:45:31 AM PST by randita
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To: Colofornian
Will Mormons’ racial history be a problem for Mitt Romney?

Golly!!

Why SHOULD it?





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

27 posted on 02/01/2012 6:08:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
Will Mormons’ racial history be a problem for Mitt Romney?

Maybe; but THIS sure will!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

28 posted on 02/01/2012 6:09:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vaquero
I am not a Morman....but please...get off of this.

I AM a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

29 posted on 02/01/2012 6:11:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vaquero
I am not a Morman....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25PGOODs99o

30 posted on 02/01/2012 6:13:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
If the LDS church were to apologize, that would be casting aspersions on God’s prophets..,” said Richard Ostling...

Catch 22

31 posted on 02/01/2012 6:14:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Altura Ct.
Talk about Orwellian...

OK...


 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


32 posted on 02/01/2012 6:17:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster

ping to the Incredible Vanishing MORMON links...


33 posted on 02/01/2012 6:17:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RipSawyer

We’ve been killing the innocent since 1973.

What ELSE should we expect?

America needs to REPENT!


34 posted on 02/01/2012 6:19:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RipSawyer
mad hat 2
35 posted on 02/01/2012 6:35:10 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Colofornian
Will Mormons’ racial history be a problem for Mitt Romney?

You betcha!

36 posted on 02/01/2012 7:20:54 AM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: Colofornian

This would not hurt him a bit.
90% of blacks were going to vote for Obama anyway.


37 posted on 02/01/2012 7:31:01 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Vaquero
I am not a Morman....but please...get off of this.

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church. Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons, including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately". That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right? It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience.

The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpuated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE. Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true". It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth, wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it. There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel". There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation. So again, seek the truth. Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version) "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytization. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading. If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way.

God bless you in your journey to true Salvation.


38 posted on 02/01/2012 7:47:15 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney seems like a creature put on Earth to blend in with the humans and report back what he finds.)
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To: Colofornian

Interesting how Delightsome Mitt, until around 2007, passionately argued against Mormon teachings on abortion and homosexuality, but never challenged the LDS on its blatant racism.


39 posted on 02/01/2012 8:21:17 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Colofornian
Romney says: "I can not going to distance myself from my faith IN ANY WAY". daja vu?

What was it OBAMA said about Jereiah Wright??..."I can no more disown Jeremiah Wright, than I can my WHITE grandmother".....but he did, maybe.

40 posted on 02/01/2012 8:33:22 AM PST by annieokie
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