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1.) There are four "I have a question's" on this page. In that regard, this is an excerpt. Given that the focus of this is on but one of the questions, I did not click "excerpt."

2.) When you go to google or the Google homepage and type in "lds.org" it says "Official site. Online scriptures and library, media contact information, online distribution center,..."

3.) This is at the official LDS site, and at this official LDS website is an Ensign article from June 1986. 25 years old. No decleration here that this is heresy according to the lds church, and 25 years is enough time to have tossed all of the one question as well as the answer "How can Jesus and Lucifer..." given here from that June Ensign issue if LDS considered it heresy or didn't believe in it. It could have been toosed long ago, to leave the other three questions to post to lds.org, so that it never even made it here to lds.org.

4.) Before anyone calls me a bigot, let it be known that I heard no cries of bigotry from conservatives when I talked about the Chicago Sun-Times article " I have a deep faith," a 2004 interview with Barack Obama about his belief that there are many paths to God/Heaven, and what he was asked about the scripture " I am the Way, Truth, Life. No man comes unto the Father but by me." Obama said it all depends upon how you interpret that scripture. I vehemently disagree with that answer. And Jesus supposedly being a brother to Lucifer - I also think that issue must also be explored, and is not believed in by most Christians. 5.) When a certain talk radio host talked about Obama's Black Liberation Theology, and whether he adhered to it, I don't remember conservatives saying that was religious bigotry or shouldn't be brought up for discussion. If that can be talked about, why not this? Why not both?

1 posted on 01/31/2012 11:48:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Lucifer” means light-bearer or something like that. They used to call old fashioned matches which struck on anything lucifers and the name used to be applied to the planet Venus. I am not aware of any relationship between the planet Venus and Jesus.


2 posted on 01/31/2012 11:53:23 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Wrong. According to the Bible, Jesus is not a created being but Satan, a fallen angel, is.


3 posted on 01/31/2012 11:55:38 AM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It is a lie to say that Jesus and Lucifer are ‘spirit’ brothers. Christ came to us called, Emmanuel which means God with us. Lucifer has already been condemned to death before this flesh age began. Reason why Moses would call him the ‘tree’ of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not create ‘evil’ but He says He will certainly use the ‘evil’ one if His children become ‘proud’. But Lucifer rebel because of his ‘pride’, meaning he stopped loving the creator, and decided he would be God, and a third of the Sons of God joined up with his rebellion.
4 posted on 01/31/2012 11:56:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?

If conservatives here had no problem with me talking about “I have a deep faith” and Obama’s spiritual beliefs in that news piece (beliefs which I believe to be false) then surely this Mormon belief is acceptable to raise, too, right?

If Talk Radio can opine on Black Liberation Theology ( which I had no problem with them talking about) then why not explore this Mormon theological belief and talk about it, too?


5 posted on 01/31/2012 11:58:04 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think the whole question is bogus. I get the feeling the questions to a site like this are setups. They make them up out of whole cloth so they can discuss the issue.

Anybody ever met two brothers that are complete opposites?

The real question is, how can the church teach that they are brothers when the Bible says Satan is a fallen angel, a created being, and Jesus is God with us?


6 posted on 01/31/2012 11:59:32 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. (Jn 1:1-2) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God (Jn 1:18a).

Lucifer is a created being. Jesus is not.

14 posted on 01/31/2012 12:10:55 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
How can Jesus & Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters & purposes are so utterly opposed?

They can't, next question please.

17 posted on 01/31/2012 12:15:05 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

One runs the risk of blood atonement by posting these glimpses behind the curain. I am not sure Mittens wants us to know about this.


23 posted on 01/31/2012 12:46:50 PM PST by Acadianus (deo vindice)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

As a Christian, all I can say is what complete and utter blasphemy!


24 posted on 01/31/2012 12:46:58 PM PST by erkelly
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Simple: It’s blasphemy to equate the Savior with a liar and created being.

-J.S. (The mormon church is insane).


27 posted on 01/31/2012 12:56:19 PM PST by JSDude1 (NEWT 2012!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jesus and the Father are one in the same “ If you have seen me you have seen the Father “


28 posted on 01/31/2012 2:41:13 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

An attack on true Christian believers.


29 posted on 01/31/2012 3:04:36 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jesus was and is GOD.

Lucifer was and is only and angel who failed a test and took a third of the angels with him.

Read Revelation


31 posted on 01/31/2012 4:53:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Thank you for posting this. It speaks volumes about what the LDS really believe vs. their canned ‘testimonies’ outsiders so often hear.


33 posted on 01/31/2012 8:07:08 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Wow this is crazy Joseph Smith was nothing more than a con artist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTtQTz7O1Xg


42 posted on 01/31/2012 11:07:16 PM PST by StPaulRevert
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb8vxf9dSY

For a limited time, watch the film in it’s entirety! NOTE: Please pass this on to everyone you know! Feel free to download it, burn your own DVD copies, and pass them out as well! We want this film to go viral so as many people as possible can see it. We are also working on a special edition “official” DVD that will include many bonus features and and extended version of the film as well. Until then though, enjoy the film in it’s entirety on YouTube for a while

A documentary that dives into the differences between legalistic religion and true redemption found in Christ. Produced by Brad Eggerton & James Anderson.

The film was shot all over the Salt Lake Valley from 2009-2011 and includes interviews on the streets with many LDS people, along with many interviews with people who minister to the LDS, including Sandra Tanner, Shawn McCraney, Russ East, Bill McKeever, Doris Hanson, and more.


43 posted on 01/31/2012 11:21:16 PM PST by StPaulRevert
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jesus is eternal, lucifer was created - nuff said.


45 posted on 02/01/2012 7:20:56 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

47 posted on 02/01/2012 8:06:09 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Lucifer can only do what God allows him to do. Nothing else.


49 posted on 02/01/2012 12:41:34 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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