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To: reaganaut

Have to admit I don’t know a ton about Mormons. Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?


43 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:04 PM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Aria; SZonian; Godzilla; Colofornian

Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?

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That is EXACTLY what I am saying. The Mormons believe in 3 separate Gods (2 of which have bodies of flesh and bone), and the existence of millions of other gods.

They believe God the Father (”Elohim”) was once a man (and a Mormon) who lived on his own planet, sinned, needed a savior, died and ‘progressed’ to being a God. They also believe that by being good Mormons they too can become gods with their own planets.

If you are a Christian, they also believe in a very different Jesus, their Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer, another exalted man who is not eternal but created and didnt’ die on the cross to pay for sin, but rather sweat blood in the Garden and only until we can pay him back with our good works.

I can source all of this, and I can give you links to more information. The more you know about Mormonism the wierder it gets.


45 posted on 01/21/2012 10:48:58 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, Now Christian - "I wasn't brainwashed, just brain pre-soaked.")
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To: Aria
Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?



 
 

President N. Eldon Tanner, Conference Report, October 1969, Second Day—Morning Meeting, p.49

Probably the very earliest scriptural account we have of man and his relationship to God, and which shows beyond doubt that we had a premortal existence in the spirit world with God, is the record of the council in heaven as revealed to Moses and Abraham.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.35

The holy scriptures declare that there were many noble and great spirits among God's numerous sons in the grand council in heaven before this world was created. Speaking of their future mortal probation, the Eternal Father proclaimed that he would make these noble and great ones his rulers. Thus they were chosen in heaven and foreordained by God to become prophets, seers, and revelators in mortality.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.35

"Every man who has a calling to minister to the inhabitants of the world was ordained to that very purpose in the Grand Council of heaven before this world was. I suppose that I was ordained to this very office in that Grand Council." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 365.)

Elder Eldred G. Smith, Conference Report, April 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.43s

the story unfolds, when it was time for Elohim to prepare the earth for occupancy, the Head of the gods called a Council of the gods and there the gods concocted the plan for earth. Elohim asked his two eldest sons--brothers (probably from Elohim's #1 wife), to prepare plans for the Council to review. These brothers were Jesus and Lucifer!

Upon review of the plans, the Council chose the plan of Jesus and he was raised to the position of godhood. Apparently, the vote was a close one, for Lucifer became angry over the decision. He led one- third of the children of Elohim into an open rebellion over the decision. They battled against one-third of the children who were in agreement with the Council decision. The other third of Elohim's children were obedient to the Council, but didn't want to get involved in the battle. They were not valiant in defending the decision.

It is hard to imagine how we fought without physical bodies, or why Elohim was unable to control his own children, but at the end of the fighting, those who fought for Jesus won. Lucifer and one third of our brothers and sisters were cast out from Kolob, and arrived here on earth as Satan and the demons.

Those who fought valiantly with Jesus would come to earth as the white and delightsome people--the more valiant we were, the blonder our hair; the whiter our skin. The less valiant we were, the darker our complexion and hair. That third who did not want to get involved became the black race, born under the curse of Cain. There were no neutrals in Kolob!

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, April 1952, Afternoon Meeting, p.122

As President Clark pointed out in his masterful discourse this morning, Jesus Christ, at the grand council in heaven declared that the sons and daughters of God would be placed upon this earth to " . . . prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them." And the Master gave the promise to them that those who were successful in doing so, would " . . . have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever." (Abraham 3:25-26.)

President J. Reuben Clark, Jr, Conference Report, October 1938, Afternoon Meeting, p.136

Repeated reference has been made to the great council in heaven, and to what it meant. One element of it I should like to refer to, namely, what Satan then proposed to do was to give salvation without labor, that is, to get something for nothing. This is the spirit which is abroad today. It is the spirit which we must fight, or it will destroy us.

President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, April 1936, Church of the Air Broadcast, p.46

We believe that in a great council in heaven held before the world was, Satan proposed one plan for creating and ruling the world and its progeny, and that Christ proposed another; that Satan's plan was rejected, as taking away the agency of man, and Christ's was accepted as keeping man's agency.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1949, Second Day—Morning Meeting, p.69

Joseph Smith tells us that at that grand council the head God of all the Gods called the council, and the purpose was to present a plan whereby his children were to come into mortal earth and have the experience of mortality and then return back into the presence of God. The Eternal Father explained to his children that mortal beings would forget their premortal experiences and the gospel truths after they had come from the presence of God and, therefore, they would have to have a Savior in order that they might be taught the Gospel truths again. He also declared that they would not have the power to break the bands of death and bring about resurrection and that they would have to have a Savior for that purpose also.

 
 
 

57 posted on 01/22/2012 5:32:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Aria
Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?


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Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


58 posted on 01/22/2012 5:32:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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