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Fr. David A. Fisher is the Pastor of St. Anthony of Padua Maronite Church in Cincinnati, Ohio, and Adjunct Professor of Philosophy, Central State University in Wilberforce, Ohio
1 posted on 01/12/2012 2:53:23 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/12/2012 2:54:33 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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uh no.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 3:00:07 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”


4 posted on 01/12/2012 3:05:59 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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All individuals must accept Christ Jesus DURING this life for salvation...there is no choice AFTER death or in Hell or Purgatory to change a person's decision to accept or reject Christ Jesus who died for ALL sins past, present, and future to His cross 2,000 years ago.

All who reject Christ Jesus during their early life will be judged by God unto eternal Hell and later the Lake of Fire for all eternity...there is no exception by God the Father nor has He spoken in Scripture a change of God's Holy decision to judge the un-believers and then move them into some sort of holy after-life existence - that kind of theology is un-Biblical and dangerous or risky at best.

Universal salvation is simply a lie from the Devil to deceive people into thinking that they have a 'second chance' with a Holy God - obviously, a Holy and Righteous God would never compromise His Perfect Will and Purpose in regards to Heaven and Hell. Amen.

6 posted on 01/12/2012 3:10:53 PM PST by bibletruth
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“While realizing that we can never have a totally adequate understanding of human immortality and the criteria for salvation on this side of the grave...”

I disagree. We can’t know all things about human immorality or about the criteria for salvation, that that which has been revealed to us coupled with our limited understanding is easily sufficient to rule out universal salvation.


7 posted on 01/12/2012 3:13:33 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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I hope so.


9 posted on 01/12/2012 3:38:39 PM PST by DManA
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“In his thoughts the doors of hell are locked from the inside, the possibility of repentance and forgiveness is extended to those in hell. “

This is what you are left with when you abandon the Bible as the standard of truth.


11 posted on 01/12/2012 3:48:34 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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“The Question of Universal Salvation: Will All Be Saved?”

Nope.


12 posted on 01/12/2012 3:51:45 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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What a pitiful misunderstanding of Paul’s epistles this man has. It takes a particularly deceived mind to come to the conclusion that Paul was writing of Universal Salvation.


13 posted on 01/12/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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If all are saved, where is God? Why would we be waiting for the second coming? There would be no need for it. There would be no more barrier between us and God. We all would be forgiven, thus the barrier would be no more.

Sounds like God would be wasting his Time. We should then be able to see God as Jesus right now.

But the barrier is still in place. It is called unrepented sin.

This separation from God would never have taken place.:

Genesis 3

21" The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said,

“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

But thank God! Praise Jesus!!

God promises!

Seek and You will Find!!

PSALM 9:7" but the Lord remaineth for ever. He hath prepared his throne in judgment:

8 and he shall judge the world in equity, he shall judge the people in justice.

9 And the Lord is become a Refuge for the poor: a Helper in due time in tribulation.

10 And let them trust in thee who know thy name: for thou hast not forsaken them that seek thee, O Lord."

************************************************************* He showed by opening his arms so wide to die on a cross by his love. John 3:16 Do we then Mock God? No! He will not be mocked. If God sees people knowingly rejecting the Death of his Son. The horror is theirs. But if we seek , He will help us find him.****************************************

Then EDEN will be restored.

Revelation 22

Eden Restored

1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

John and the Angel

6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

Epilogue: Invitation and Warning

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

PRAISE JESUS!!!

16 posted on 01/12/2012 4:16:09 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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No.

The gift is free. But you have to ACCEPT it. It is not forced on you.


21 posted on 01/12/2012 4:42:34 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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The Question of Universal Salvation: Will All Be Saved?
"There Can Be No Rupture in Salvation History" [Benedict XVI to Jewish Community in Germany]
The Catholic Teaching on Salvation by Faith Alone (Catholic / Orthodox Caucus)
Promising Salvation to Non-Catholics: A Sin against Charity
On Being Sober and Serious in Seeking Salvation
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] Benedict XVI at Angelus: Mary's mission of salvation and intercession continues..
Finders Keepers? - The Evangelical notion that Christians can't lose their salvation is unbiblical.
Fresh Embrace of Everlasting Salvation [New Mass Translation Does Away With "Barbecue Talk"]

Marriage is instrument of salvation for society, declares Benedict XVI
Catholic and Protestant "Similarities" on Faith, Faith Alone, Salvation...
Radio Replies Second Volume - Salvation of the Soul
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Salvation: A Biblical Portrait
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Salvation: "Being Saved"
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Catholic Response to "Are You Saved?"
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Knowledge of Salvation
A note from Roy Schoeman... (author of 'Salvation is from the Jews')
Radio Replies First Volume - Grace and salvation
Radio Replies First Volume - "Outside the Church no salvation"

Salvation - Are You Saved?
No Salvation Outside the Church
Prayer the Great Means of Salvation: Ch.1: The Necessity of Prayer, Sect. 3 Invocation of the Saints
Prayer the Great Means of Salvation: Chapter 1: The Necessity of Prayer, Section 2
Prayer: The Great Means of Salvation and of Perfection Ch. 1: The Necessity of Prayer, Section 1
What does the Catholic Church mean by the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation"
Christian, I Presume? (Salvation) [Ecumenical]
Rock Solid: The Salvation History of the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]
Who Can Be Saved?
Grace, Faith, and Works

Getting in Touch With Reality (good character and behavior as a ticket to Heaven)
My Personal Savior
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Extra ecclesiam - Outside the Church there is no salvation.M.a
Is Faith Necessary for Salvation? (Part 2)
Good Will Equals Salvation? (Did the pope say non christians could be saved - part 1)
The Experience of the Salvation of Christ Today
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Worthy Is the Lamb?
Limbo and the Hope of Salvation

22 posted on 01/12/2012 5:06:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Christ died for all. Receiving this free gift of salvation, it’s open to everyone. Not everyone will choose to receive the free gift, however.

Salvation is available to all, but not all are open to receiving salvation.


24 posted on 01/12/2012 5:50:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Everyone can be Save but not all will be.


25 posted on 01/12/2012 6:49:57 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: NYer; bibletruth; smvoice; johngrace; one Lord one faith one baptism
Some will not be redeemed. There is no doctrine which I would more willingly remove from Christianity than this, if it lay in my power - C. S. Lewis I'm with Lewis on this. I know well and understand the reaction of those who believe they are steadfastly definding Bible truth by insisting on eternal damnation. But what I find troubling is the lack of awe - even horror - that should accompany the realization that someone could spend eternity in Hell apart from God.

Instead, some reveal a flippant "sucks to be them" and "they're just getting what they deserve" callous attitude. Anyone having such an attitude would do well to examine their own Faith, for Jesus himself wept at the sight of Jerusalem, knowing the coming destruction of the city - and, yes, all the wicked and rebellious people living therein. We also read: "God is not willing that any should perish, but desires all to come to repentance."

Is this our attitude? Or are we gloating that we are on the "right side," and all those sinners are only getting what's coming to them. We refuse to face the fact that we are just as deserving of hell as anyone else, and it is only by the Grace of God that He has had mercy upon us.

Let our attitude be that of our Heavenly Father: "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?" (Ezekiel 33:11)

27 posted on 01/12/2012 10:35:05 PM PST by tjd1454
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In 1 Corinthians 15:22, where Paul is working out the analogy between the first and second Adam: "As all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ." In Romans 11:32, “God has imprisoned all in disobedience, that he may be merciful to all.” Also in Romans 5:18, "Just as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man's act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all." Possibly the most positive text in terms of universal salvation is 1 Corinthians 15:28. Here Paul says Christ will reign until "God has put all things in subjection under his feet…And when all things are made subject to the Son, then the Son himself will also be made subject to the Father, who has subjected all things to him; and thus God will be all in all." These words clearly do not allow for an eternal dualism that some of God's creation will be forever lost; rather they point to an ultimate reconciliation for all. "

Reliance on these verses as proof texts for universalism has been thouroughly refuted for some time. Dr. James White recently went over it in a lecture which can be downloaded at sermonaudio.com

28 posted on 01/13/2012 5:23:44 AM PST by circlecity
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As a New Year’s resolution, I have decided to answer every stupid question posed in headlines that I see on FR; usually without bothering to read the article because there is no need.

So: No, next question.


29 posted on 01/13/2012 5:29:21 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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Only God knows the intentions for evil in us and whether we truly love God.

He cast out the devil/angels in heaven, so I feel that he will cast out truly evil persons that do not love God.

I saw a three panel painting in France with the middle panel missing, but one panel was a glorious full of light looking upward towards heaven with a few people, while the other was very dark with many people tumbling downwards towards a fire (very dark, difficult and troubling to absorb).

I also had a friend that had a near death experience describe a similar situation where few were traveling upwards and many were going down (he described as raining cats and dogs).

Jesus has shown us the way with His Love for us, we need to Love Him back. He has suffered so much for us, and I can't imagine the hurt that he continues to suffer when we sin and reject HIs Love.

If we would only learn to accept and really Love GOD as he wants, we would be so much happier on earth and moreso in Heaven.

I just wish I could do more in letting others know (and convincing them) how much God loves them.

30 posted on 01/13/2012 7:25:50 AM PST by ADSUM (Body of Christ is the Church, gathered around the crucified risen Lord and fed by Him in Communion.)
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Deuteronomy 4:19 & Malachi 1:11.


31 posted on 01/13/2012 8:07:22 AM PST by onedoug
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If Hell is a lie, who originated that lie?


36 posted on 01/13/2012 3:53:37 PM PST by TradicalRC (Zero Debt Now.)
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