Mary: Mother of God?

What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

[editor-surveyor]

>> “To which did she give birth?” <<

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Obviously his humanity; Mary had no divinity to bestow on him.
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[one Lord one faith one baptism]

laugh all you want, anyone that claims Jesus is not truly human and truly God doesn’t know the Bible.

you should be embarrassed that you post such an article.

in trying to attack the Church, you wind up attacking THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST. ( which is always the case since the Church is the Body of Christ )

way to go, i am sure you are proud!

[Al Hitan]

I would like any non-Catholics to show, in their own translation of the Bible, the doctrine of sola scriptura.

I know we are hearing the sound of crickets now...

[Pyro7480]

Nope, I’ve confirmed it!

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Good post. Mary is the Earthly mother of Jesus and not of God

so Jesus is not God?

are you a Jehovah Witness or Mormon?

[Salvation]

**The Holy Spirit introduces us to Jesus.**

Nope, at the moment of your death and the particular judgment, you meet Jesus.

What are you going to say to him when he asks you why you did not believe in his divinity as well as his humanity?

What are you going to say to him when he asks you why you never believed that his Mother gave birth to an infant, both human and divine?

Would not these be sins against the Holy Spirit, for Christ was conceived in Mary through the Holy Spirit?

And for what sin is there no forgiveness whatsoever? Answer: sins against the Holy Spirit.

[metmom]

I don’t think so. She is the Mother of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

So what then? Jesus didn't exist until Mary conceived and bore Him?

[Al Hitan]

Obviously his humanity; Mary had no divinity to bestow on him.

So, Jesus was only human when he was born. When did He acquire his divinity?

[D-fendr]

In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

Do mothers give birth to natures or to persons?

Herein lies the Christological error of the author, the same error the council corrected - among others.

Underneath every error about Mary is an error about Christ. This article is but another example.

[anglian]

Do Catholics agree with this? THE SECRET OF MARY
St. Louis de Montfort

INDEX:

INTRODUCTION

1. NECESSITY OF HAVING A TRUE DEVOTION TO MARY

2. WHAT PERFECT DEVOTION TO MARY CONSISTS IN

3. SUPPLEMENT
A. Prayer to Jesus
B. Prayer to Mary
4. THE CARE AND GROWTH OF THE TREE OF LIFE
A. The holy slavery of love
B. How to cultivate it
C. Its lasting fruit: Jesus Christ
http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/SECRET.HTM#3.%20Supplement

[narses]

ConservativeMind wrote:

I would like any Catholics to show, in their own translation of the Bible, where Mary or any of their “saints” can be prayed to.

Paul's letters clarify how the Apostolic Church under the influence of the Holy Spirit spoke of believers as "saints," whether living or dead.

Paul asked the saints to pray for him and to imitate him.

Faithful people in the Post-Apostolic Church in the Apostles Creed defined the confessional response to faith in their creed: "We believe in the communion of saints."

Through Baptism we pass "from death to life; death no longer has dominion over us." Christians must believe that there is no real distinction between the believer in human life and after human life. Saints, living or dead, are indistinguishable before God.

If we can pray for and with saints in this life, we can pray for and with those saints after human life.

And as Paul asked saints to imitate him as he imitates Christ, the Church encourages Catholic Christians to imitate the holiness of the saints as they imitated the holiness of Christ and the Father.

As a hem of a garment, the shadows of saints, and clothes of the saints were used devotionally in the Apostolic Church, so relics and images of the saints are devotionally encouraged by the Church today.

First among saints by the fullness of grace which was hers is the Mother of Jesus, Mary.

From http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap070000.htm

ConservativeMind wrote:
I believe we are hearing the sound of crickets now...

[editor-surveyor]

Actually, the church is the Bride of Christ.

Can Christ marry his own body?

The “Body of Christ” notion is not scriptural in the sense that you used it. The church is a body dedicated to Christ, and in that sense it is true.

[wmfights]

It's interesting how Mary's status has evolved over time. Mary was called woman by Jesus. Mary was called woman by Paul. Then after the Apostolic Age ended she was called "suitable vessel" by Ignatius. Then Mary was called the "new Eve" by Justin Martyr. Mary was then called "advocate, intercessor, comforter" by Irenaeus. Finally Mary is referred to by Origen as "ever-virgin Mother of God". All this happened in the span of 200 years.

woman-suitable vessel-new Eve-advocate, intercesor, comforter-ever virgin Mother of God.

Just looking at the progression of this heresy makes a perfect argument for Sola Scriptura rather than Sola Ecclesia. Also, it's telling that it wasn't until John had died that the name changing and role expansion began occurring.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

yes you do need to go on.

please name one Catholic that worships Mary.

produce one or withdraw the charge.

of course every Catholic knows Mary can not be worshipped, because she is a created being and worship is due God ALONE.

OF COURSE THERE ARE THOSE THAT WORSHIP TELLING “UNTRUTHS”, JUST SAYING.....

[editor-surveyor]

That is a lovely likeness of the catholic blasphemies WRT Mary.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Only RC tradition establishes the NT canon, do you accept that?

[D-fendr]

The same way I can pray to you:

Dear CM, please pray for me.

Christ conquered death.

[metmom]

But never have I found a love as pure as Mary has given those who call her blessed.

I guess that rules God out, then doesn't it?

You need to meet Him some time.

[narses]

A Biblical Portrait of Mary

Mary is prefigured immediately after the Fall of Man; her divine motherhood is prophesied.

Gen 3:14-15
Then the Lord God said to the serpent: “... I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.”
Mary and her role in the history of our salvation is foretold by the prophet Isaiah; her virginity and divine motherhood is confirmed.

Is 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.
Matthew begins his genealogy with Abraham and ends with Mary.

Mt 1:16
Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Luke narrates the angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary that she is to conceive a son and remain a virgin.

Lk 1: 26-38
...(The angel Gabriel said) “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you ... The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.” ... Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”
Luke also narrates Mary’s visit to her cousin Elizabeth (pregnant with John the Baptist). It is Elizabeth who first calls Mary “the mother of God (Lord)”.

Lk 1:39-45
... When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? ... Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.”
Lk 1:46-49
And Mary said: “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name.”
Matthew records Mary’s engagement to Joseph.

Mt. 1:18-25
... When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit. ... the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife into your home. For it is through the holy Spirit that this child has been conceived in her. She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” He (Joseph) had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.
Luke narrates the birth events of Jesus.

Lk 2:1-19
... Joseph too went up from Galilee from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the city of David that is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, and she gave birth to her firstborn son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger ... (Shepherds) went in haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the infant ... Mary kept all these things (that the shepherds told her), reflecting on them in her heart.
Luke includes the circumcision and presentation of Jesus.

Lk 2:33-35
The child’s father and mother were amazed at what was said about him; and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be contradicted (and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
Luke narrates the loss and finding of Jesus in the temple in Jerusalem by Mary and Joseph.

Lk 2:48-51
When his parents saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, “Son, why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been looking for you with great anxiety.” And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?” But they did not understand what he said to them. He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.
John records the wedding feast at Cana where Mary prompts Jesus’ first miracle.

Jn 2:1-12
On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.” ... Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him. After this, he and his mother, (his) brothers, and his disciples went down to Capernaum and stayed there only a few days.
Matthew writes of Jesus’ own words that compare his relationship with his followers to his relationship with his mother.

Mt 12:46-50 (Mk 3:31-35)
While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him. ... And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
It is John (an eye witness) who recalls his personal experience at the foot of the cross on Calvary.

Jn 19:25-27
Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.
Luke, in his Acts of the Apostles, records the presence of Mary with the Apostles in the community in Jerusalem between the Ascension of Jesus and Pentecost.

[CynicalBear]

>>I would like any non-Catholics to show, in their own translation of the Bible, the doctrine of sola scriptura.<<

"ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of GOd may be PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17.

Now, would you explain to me why the CC needs something more then PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED? John 5:37-40 37And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. Jesus always appealed to the written Word of God to settle disputes, never to oral tradition. When He refers to the 'Word of God', His reference is always to recorded Scripture. According to His teaching, Scripture was the final judge of all tradition. In fact, Jesus has virtually nothing positive to say about tradition (cf. Matthew 4:4; 5:17-19; 15:2-9; 22:29-32). Clearly, if the Son of God teaches that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to the Scriptures, then tradition is subordinate to Scripture and Scripture is logically the ultimate authority.

Then there is Paul commending the Bereans for “searching the scriptures daily to see if these things are true” when speaking of even his teaching.