Posted on 01/11/2012 10:09:31 AM PST by Teófilo
“May the Lord Jesus Christ open your eyes.”
That too is my prayer. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for offering it on my behalf. I welcome any and all prayers of increased understanding of Jesus Christ. My Fathers Mansion has many rooms and the higher you go, the more rooms there appear to be. If I am not on the right path, a rightful prayer will be like fire on my head and guide me to the correct path. I welcome all of them. It gets narrower and harder to follow the higher you go and guidance from above to stay on the path is always welcome.
Thank you again and Blessings to you on furthering your relationship with Jesus Christ.
“It does state in Jude that the angles that left their first estate (life form) are now in chains in Tarsus I do believe.”
Jude 1:6. And the angels who kept not their principality but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day.
(Principality...That is, the state in which they were first created, their original dignity.)
“These angles left their spiritual bodies and took on flesh so as to mate with the daughters of man. That was their great sin taking on flesh and that is why they are in chains.”
I didn’t find anything on that in Jude.
“These angles left their spiritual bodies and took on flesh so as to mate with the daughters of man. That was their great sin taking on flesh and that is why they are in chains.”
There are people who believe that Jesus’ great sacrifice was not dying on the cross. His great sacrifice was His lowering Himself to our level to be born in the flesh. Dying is a blessing when you consider that you will no longer be separated from your Father.
You could say that Jesus saved us as He came to show us how to break out of the bondage(chains) of the flesh. Remember His words as He sent out the disciples.. “The things that I do and more, you too shall do in my name.”
Gen 6:2 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (KJV)
Genesis 6:2. The sons of God seeing the daughters of men, that they were fair, took to themselves wives of all which they chose.
“The sons of God…The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages, and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.”
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Concur. The damned things exist and I wouldn’t wish them on anybody.
Our life is better lived through faith in Christ in all things.
It might be argues that some do not have bodies. That doesn’t mean they cannot have physical impact upon our bodies.
They also are able to influence and even possess some of our souls, our mental faculties.
But much more impressive and loving is the influence and indwelling of God the Holy Spirit in every believer in the Church Age.
They are out there. They’ve been out there for thousands of years and can read the behavior and thinking of men fairly well. They still will be made footstools beneath His feat and later sent to proper abode.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. (KJV)
Job 1:6. Now on a certain day, when the sons of God came to stand before the Lord, Satan also was present among them.
“The sons of God…The angels. Satan also, etc.. This passage represents to us in a figure, accommodated to the ways and understandings of men, 1. The restless endeavours of Satan against the servants of God; 2. That he can do nothing without God’s permission; 3. That God doth not permit him to tempt them above their strength: but assists them by his divine grace in such manner, that the vain efforts of the enemy only serve to illustrate their virtue and increase their merit.”
To say that he was “present among them” does not mean that he was one of them. Actually, it strongly indicates the opposite.
Totally agree with you..
“so what theological book are you parroting?”
Parroting?
Gee, I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion.
I often quote other people when they’ve said something better than I could or better than I have time to. I really don’t think that’s uncommon.
I don’t care to enter into a quarrel.
Gen 6:9 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
What is the perfect in this passage mean?
Your post with it different definitions appeared to be out out of a book or a theological web page if it was not my apologies. There is no biblical basses or biblical reference that they are both the same. From this point of view it could be carried out that all those who are not of the line of seth are of the seed of the snake and therefore we have just invented a new biblical reference that the seed of the snake are of a certain race. See how this is dangerous.
Your post with it different definitions appeared to be out out of a book or a theological web page if it was not my apologies. There is no biblical basses or biblical reference that they are both the same. From this point of view it could be carried out that all those who are not of the line of seth are of the seed of the snake and therefore we have just invented a new biblical reference that the seed of the snake are of a certain race. See how this is dangerous.
I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand what you are trying to say.
How about we just let it drop?
ping for later
According to Bush’s Notes on Genesis, the word translated here as “sons of God” is a Hebrew word, Elohim. The following passage explains the meaning of the word, “Elohim.”
2. The sons of God. Heb. (don’t have a Hebrew font) sons of the Elohim. Chal. ‘sons of the eminent ones.’ That is, the descendents of Seth, Enos, and the other pious patriarchs who were separated from the posterity of Cain and formed the visible church. The appellation no doubt has reference to Gen. 4.26, where the same class of persons are said to be ‘called by the name of the Lord;’ i.e. to be the sons and servants of God in contradistinction from others, the seed of Cain, who are merely called ‘men.’ The term Elohim is occasionally applied to persons of distinguished eminence in place or power, such as judges, magistrates, &c. but is here probably used to denote a distinction of a *moral* kind, such as resulted from their likeness to God, their maintaining his worship, and obeying his laws. The persons designated included, it may be presumed, all, or nearly all, those enumerated in the preceding chapter as forming the line of the faithful from Seth to Noah, who though pious and devout themselves, were yet unfortunate in their children. They unhappily swerved from the precepts in which they had been trained, forsook the counsels of their fathers, relaxed the strictness of their walk, and, yielding gradually to temptation, formed unhallowed connections with the worldly and profane, and thus opened the floodgates of a universal corruption of morals.
This is just one more example of how a single person attempting to translate his copy of the Bible in a vacuum will always fall into error.
When Saint Jerome undertook to translate the Bible into Latin in the 4th century, he had access to many resources unavailable to those who have tried to prepare other translations. For starters, he was 13 centuries closer to events than those who prepared the King James Version. To get some idea what that means, read some English written in the 17th century, then read some Chaucer as originally written, and finally, read Beowulf in the original old English. Better yet, have someone versed in old English read you some of it.
Saint Jerome had access to Jewish scholars who had studied the Torah for decades, and stood on the shoulders of a line earlier Jewish scholars stretching back many centuries. These scholars didn’t have to ponder a passage of Hebrew to get its gist; they understood it like we understand the breakfast conversation in our own homes.
He had access to native speakers of Aramaic who weren’t as far removed from the Aramaic of Jesus’ time as we are from the English of Shakespeare’s time. Ditto Koine Greek. Aside from that, he was inspired by the Holy Spirit, while some later translators show no sign of such inspiration.
Having been a professional translator for some 20-odd years, I know that it is often impossible to translate a passage without a good deal of background knowledge. Saint Jerome had a degree of context that no subsequent translator could approach.
Some passages, such as John 3:16, can be easily understood by just about anyone. Other passages are completely opaque without context.
Then, too, there are things that are just lost because of our remove from the era. For instance, in John 2:4 Jesus says to His mother, “Woman, what is that to me and to thee?” A lot of people think that sounds pretty harsh, but the obscure little linguistic point there is this: those words were a popular, humorous catchphrase in Aramaic that was going around at the time, kind of like “Where’s the beef?” or, “No soup for you.” It was a bit of good-natured banter that in no way indicated that He didn’t care about the people giving the party.
Genesis 6:2 is extremely likely (almost certain?) to be misinterpreted by a person who is unaware that the passage refers to the sons of the “Elohim” as explained in Bush’s Notes.
What I’m getting at is this: If you’re an ordinary person like me (and I hope that isn’t too self-congratulatory), you cannot just pick up your Bible at any old time of the day and be certain of understanding what you read. If you have been taught the correct interpretation of some passages, you should be all right there. But if you haven’t, or are reading a passage for the first time, there is a very real danger of getting it wrong.
The four Gospels do not contain every word that Jesus ever spoke, nor can you rely on may translations to give you the information you need to understand.
And where might I find this proper teaching of the Word of God?
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