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To: dangus

But you see your post saying he wasn’t telling it right proves again that catholics have a smorgasboard of what they want to believe and justify to themselves why their take is the right one. You just did that very thing by saying this Priest had it wrong......time and again catholics say they are in one accord and time and again you proove that’s “not true”.


287 posted on 01/08/2012 10:31:03 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
I'm not saying the priest disagreed with Rome in his interpretation of Catholic doctrine. I'm calling him a liar. The beautiful thing about the Catholic Church is that it is impervious to demonic deception, since you can always find out what the true Catholic teaching is. Yes, the Catholic priesthood actually does have plenty heretics, but you can always find out who the heretics are; you can always know the true Catholic faith, and the lies of a dissident. In the case of Gearoid Marley, however, it is not a matter of discerning doctrine; his lies are of a worldly nature, easily refuted by investigating his slanderous claims.

Priests are mere men; you cannot know whether they believe in heresies or not, but you can know which things they say are heretical.. and a lot of things which are said by a lot of priests are heretical. But some things said by former priests are outright lies.

289 posted on 01/08/2012 10:42:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: caww

... and yes, Hugh Farrell is also a liar, not just a heretic.


290 posted on 01/08/2012 10:44:56 PM PST by dangus
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To: caww

... which is not to say there is some room for theological disagreements among Catholics. I happen to disagree with John Paul II on the death penalty. But then, John Paul was always very careful to make clear that his position on the death penalty was his *opinion,* based on *prudential judgment,* not a doctrinal assertion. Similarly, Just War Theory is just that... theologically, a theory. And one which George Weigel understands in a very different way than a lot of American bishops. But George Weigel and the American bishops agree that if my president orders troops into Iraq, and I am a troop, I commit no sin, and in fact, am heroic, for meeting that call, because Just War Theory leaves such discernment to the secular leaders.

They key is that all Catholics agree of moral doctrine, or else they can be objectively known as heretics or dissidents. There can be no intellectually honest, faithful disagreement on moral issues, such as abortion, birth control, pornography, divorce, Sunday obligation, the efficacy of the sacraments, etc., A Catholic may hold a different position than the majesterium, but the teachings of the majesterium are knowable and definite.


291 posted on 01/08/2012 10:53:39 PM PST by dangus
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