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... which is not to say there is some room for theological disagreements among Catholics. I happen to disagree with John Paul II on the death penalty. But then, John Paul was always very careful to make clear that his position on the death penalty was his *opinion,* based on *prudential judgment,* not a doctrinal assertion. Similarly, Just War Theory is just that... theologically, a theory. And one which George Weigel understands in a very different way than a lot of American bishops. But George Weigel and the American bishops agree that if my president orders troops into Iraq, and I am a troop, I commit no sin, and in fact, am heroic, for meeting that call, because Just War Theory leaves such discernment to the secular leaders.

They key is that all Catholics agree of moral doctrine, or else they can be objectively known as heretics or dissidents. There can be no intellectually honest, faithful disagreement on moral issues, such as abortion, birth control, pornography, divorce, Sunday obligation, the efficacy of the sacraments, etc., A Catholic may hold a different position than the majesterium, but the teachings of the majesterium are knowable and definite.


291 posted on 01/08/2012 10:53:39 PM PST by dangus
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(of course, “I am a troop,” should be, “I am in a troop.”)


292 posted on 01/08/2012 10:54:58 PM PST by dangus
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Catholics agree of moral doctrine, or else they can be objectively known as heretics or dissidents.

No they don't or every catholic I've met is a heretic or dissident...and I've conversed with many individually and in groups. Most all believe it's a womans right to do with her body what she wants...abortion....and have no problem saying they disagree with the Pope on that. They do not think they have to attend Mass as perscribed...but that it's their choice....many have have had their marriages annuled as well...yet they all attend the catholic church...and take communion.

It's very annoying to hear catholics state that their members abide by their churches teaching....they don't...and they will and do what they want despite the "labels" the church puts on them for doing so..it makes no difference to them nor to their Priests who are more than aware of the "condition of their flocks".

294 posted on 01/08/2012 11:17:34 PM PST by caww
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