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To: dangus; caww

Hugh Farrell, the next one I looked at makes an obvious lie

Section A and D of what he said are entirely true. Priests do have the authority to transubstantiate (sect. A), and this authority is not diminished by the sins of the priests, since Christ is objectively present wherever the outward signs of his Church exist.

(I’d note, however, that while what is said is true, it seems, nonetheless, that the priest’s soul resists proper execution of the signs when his soul has been become dark; I can’t tell you how many priests I have experienced who cannot seem to bring themselves to confect the Eucharist in a valid manner. They use glass vessels, for instance, where the Catholic faith teaches that only a noble substance can be used.)

But Part B of Hugh Farrell’s testimony *is* a lie. He writes, “I knew from the teachings of the priests and nuns that I could not hope to go directly to heaven after my death.” It’s true that Catholics believe in the existence of temporal effects of sin: repentance, for instance, won’t make a man who killed his parents no longer an orphan. And its true that these temporal effects persist after death: such a man may torment himself with guilt and shame, to the extent that he cannot fully, instantaneously receive the forgiveness of Christ. But there are many ways by which a soul can prepare itself to immediately receive the forgiveness of Christ, and heal any shame. The outward sign of these preparations is a “plenary indulgence.”


286 posted on 01/08/2012 9:50:21 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

But you see your post saying he wasn’t telling it right proves again that catholics have a smorgasboard of what they want to believe and justify to themselves why their take is the right one. You just did that very thing by saying this Priest had it wrong......time and again catholics say they are in one accord and time and again you proove that’s “not true”.


287 posted on 01/08/2012 10:31:03 PM PST by caww
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To: dangus; caww
"But Part B of Hugh Farrell’s testimony *is* a lie. He writes, “I knew from the teachings of the priests and nuns that I could not hope to go directly to heaven after my death...”

How certain are you of the teachings of the priests and nuns which influenced his belief?

Note he made no mention of "official" teaching of the Catholic Church. His "knowledge" was gained from the teachings of the priests and nuns.

Perhaps it is the priests and nuns you are calling liars?

314 posted on 01/09/2012 11:06:43 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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