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To: mdmathis6; BenKenobi; RnMomof7

“9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” - Rev 21

Which 12 names will be there? Will Matthias be one? Will Paul?

If there were to be 12 Apostles, not 13, then either Matthias or Paul was an Apostle. I’m betting on Paul, which would mean choosing Matthias was an error - Peter’s error, in trying to choose an Apostle, rather than waiting for God to do it in His time & way.


61 posted on 01/03/2012 6:40:24 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

“28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” - Matt 19


62 posted on 01/03/2012 6:42:47 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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The Bible doesn’t record what happened in Act’s chapter 1 as an error, you’re just stating your own opinion. Read also what Peter said about the man they would choose.

“Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”

So apparently there a few that hung about the apostles that were with them from the time when Jesus began his ministry until the time he went back to heaven.

Perhaps the terms of what an apostle was verses what the “twelve apostles of the Lamb” are need to be further defined.


80 posted on 01/03/2012 9:20:51 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Which 12 names will be there? Will Matthias be one? Will Paul?”

Paul was never one of the 12. He himself says that he was the least of the Apostles (of those who had seen the Lord). I know you want to add him, but the truth is clear. Paul wasn’t one of the 12, for a reason.

“If there were to be 12 Apostles, not 13, then either Matthias or Paul was an Apostle.”

Um, Paul wasn’t one of them. Sorry.

“I’m betting on Paul, which would mean choosing Matthias was an error - Peter’s error, in trying to choose an Apostle, rather than waiting for God to do it in His time & way.”

Why do protestants insist on giving Paul a status that he himself rejected? Mattias was chosen. Remember, at the time PAUL WASN’T EVEN AN APOSTLE!

Paul only BECAME a Christian after Christ’s death and resurrection. Mattias was chosen before Paul even entered the picture. This, again, you would know if you had read Acts.


82 posted on 01/03/2012 9:43:44 AM PST by BenKenobi (You know, you really need to break free of that Catholic mindset - "an ex-catholic":)
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To: Mr Rogers

***which would mean choosing Matthias was an error - Peter’s error, in trying to choose an Apostle, rather than waiting for God to do it in His time & way.****

And Scripture says this where?


118 posted on 01/03/2012 12:30:03 PM PST by Jvette
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