The Sacrament of Holy Orders

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tehwahedo Faith and Order ^ | Fr. Marcus Daoud

[CynicalBear]

>>Ordaining is infusing the Holy spirit into that person by the laying on of hands.<<

Ordain – kathistēmi
1. to set, place, put
a. to set one over a thing (in charge of it)
b. to appoint one to administer an office
c. to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be
d. to constitute, to render, make, cause to be
e. to conduct or bring to a certain place
f. to show or exhibit one's self

KJV (22) - appoint, 1; be, 2; conduct, 1; make, 8; make ruler, 6; ordain, 3; set, 1;
(http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2525)

All believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Catholics don't get to make up their own meanings of words from scripture.

[metmom]

The caucus tag violated the RF rules, which were pointed out to you upthread by aMorePerfectUnion in posts 2-3.

So you have no basis to whine about the caucus label that shouldn't have been slapped on in the first place being removed. Not to mention the fact that it's the Religion Moderator who removes the tags, not any of us.

Second,let the Catholic bashing begin.

Only after the Protestant bashing which began in the first paragraph of the article of the thread.

Cry me a river.

[CynicalBear]

>>The English word priest is derived from the Greek word presbyteros<<

Who are you trying to kid? The Greek word for priest used in scripture is hiereus and not once is it used for the apostles or any leadership position in the New Testament Church. Presbyteros means elder or someone advanced in life. The office of priest in the CC is totally unscriptural.

[rzman21]

I skimmed over the article and missed that it mentioned Protestants.

[metmom]

Catholics don't get to make up their own meanings of words from scripture.

But that certainly won't stop them from trying....

[metmom]

Catholics don't get to make up their own meanings of words from scripture.

You know, this is where the claim by Catholics that the RCC wrote the Bible falls flat. If they wrote it, they sure failed miserably in writing something that supports current church doctrine.

If they wrote it you'd think they'd have done a better job and used words like *priest* to mean priest, for example, instead of a word that means elder or something other than priest.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“I skimmed over the article and missed that it mentioned Protestants.”

I take you at your word. Thanks for taking responsibility. A very conservative thing to do.

[CynicalBear]

>>If they wrote it you'd think they'd have done a better job and used words like *priest* to mean priest, for example, instead of a word that means elder or something other than priest.<<

How does that line go? “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”.

I can only imagine the fear in the CC leadership when the printing press was invented and Bibles became available to all. Especially when the old manuscripts became available to all.

[rzman21]

I'm being literal. The English word priest evolved from presbyteros.

Origin: before 900; Middle English prest ( e ), priest, Old English prēost, ultimately < Late Latin presbyter presbyter http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/priest

What we have here is an effort by Protestants to obfuscate the text from the way that Early Christians understood it.

The Eastern Orthodox Bible notes: http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/eob/download/EOBNT062011e.pdf CHURCH OFFICES The Greek words dia,konoj (diakonos), presbu,teroj (presbyteros) and evpi,skopoj (episkopos), are translated respectively as “deacon” (instead of “servant” or “minister”), “presbyter” (instead of “elder”) and “overseer.” The modern English word “priest” is derived from “presbyter” but in a confused manner: it actually conveys the idea of “one who offers a sacrifice,” which in Greek is i`ereu.j (hiereus) and !hek (kohen) in Hebrew. The Greek Orthodox tradition has properly retained the distinction between presbu,teroj and i`ereu.j; the latter is applied to the Christian minister of the altar in his function as offerer of the Eucharistic gifts on behalf of the priestly people, which is why the Christian “priest” (Greek: i`ereu.j Latin: sacerdos) par excellence originally was and still is the bishop. It is only with the development of the presbyter-led parish that the term “priest” (i`ereu.j) came to be applied to the presbyter in his function as celebrant of the Eucharist. To this day, the annual directory of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America uses the title of “presbyter,” thereby maintaining the most traditional and theologically accurate terminology. In the New Testament, presbyter and overseer are interchangeable and synonymous, a which is why the EOB/NT translates evpi,skopoj (episkopos) as “overseer,” not “bishop.”

In the Didache, which was considered scripture by many early canonists and was written around the time of St. Paul describes the Eucharist in the following manner.

The Didache "Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23–24]. For this is the offering of which the Lord has said, ‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’ [Mal. 1:11, 14]" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Greek text of the Didache uses the word prosphora just as St. Paul does. http://home.earthlink.net/~dybel/Documents/DidacheIlnr.htm

[metmom]

It was in the first paragraph.

[metmom]

I do too, but would suggest that perhaps a more thorough reading of articles to be posted might be in order.

I can’t imagine posting an article without knowing the content well.

But then again, I suppose that it’s no different than replying to threads without reading them. Like the taglines that say, “Proudly posting without reading the thread since 2002” (Or whatever.)

[CynicalBear]

>>it actually conveys the idea of “one who offers a sacrifice<<

All Christians are designated “one who offers a sacrifice” now.

Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

The concept of the CC office of “priest” is nothing more than an attempt to replace Christ on earth and dwelling in us. All believers are called a “royal priesthood” with Christ as our High Priest. When the veil was torn at Christ’s death all believers obtained access to the Throne of God no longer needing a priest as they did before.

[narses]

[rzman21]

I didn’t read the first paragraph. And besides, it shouldn’t concern you.

[metmom]

This is the sacrifice we are to offer God.....

Romans 12:1-2 1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

[metmom]

Fine. Look like a fool then.

[CynicalBear]

It’s sad to see the twisting and outright deceit the CC has perpetrated on those who blindly have faith in them.

[Salvation]

Cahpter and Verse please. Still waiting for that apology.

[rzman21]

The concept of the CC office of “priest” is nothing more than an attempt to replace Christ on earth and dwelling in us.
>>Your interpretation. There is one royal priesthood, but not all are equal within that “royal priesthood.”

St. Peter’s “royal priesthood” parallels Exodus 19:6:
“And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”

All believers are called a “royal priesthood” with Christ as our High Priest. When the veil was torn at Christ’s death all believers obtained access to the Throne of God no longer needing a priest as they did before.

>>The Catholic/Orthodox priesthood is not a priesthood in the same sense as the Levitical priesthood, and every Mass/Divine Liturgy is a participation in the one sacrifice on Calvary.

Every time the priest offers the oblation, it is Christ acting through the priest, not the other way around.
http://bit.ly/vvDPNo

But the Nominalist philosophy that undergirds the Protestant interpretation of scripture obfuscates this truth, which was obvious to most Early Christian writers.

[rzman21]

Getting under your skin. :)