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To: SuziQ; caww

Jesus never told the servants to do what Mary told them. It was the other way around. Mary came to Him and told Him the problem, not even asking Him to do something about it, just telling Him what was wrong.

then SHE told the servants to do whatever HE told them to do.

John 2:1-5 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. 3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

And He never addresses her as anything other than *Woman*.

If He indeed started His public ministry at her request, He sure had a strange reaction to her request.... “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”

Her timing was off then because He said that His hour had not yet come.

I have my own idea about what was going on there and I honestly don't think that Mary even knew what Jesus was going to do or how He was going to address the wine shortage.

571 posted on 01/01/2012 5:43:50 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Never ceases to amaze me the lengths some go to in attempting to squeeze and manipulate scripture into what they want it to say, rather than “accept” the truth of what it does say.

Once again evidencing that their belief system is based on what their leadership tells them first and foremost... and THEN they abuse scripture while trying to harmonize it with those teachings after the fact.......

As someone once said...”It is possible to derive mental stimulation from the Bible and nothing else.”

James Buchanan, a nineteenth century Scottish theologian, says,......” There can be no doubt that the Bible, like any other book, may convey much instruction to an ‘unrenewed man’. .... When it is affirmed that a natural man cannot know the things of God, it is not implied that the Bible is unintelligibly written, or that he cannot understand the sense and meaning of scriptural propositions, so as to be able to give a rational account of them..... He may investigate the literal meaning of Scripture, and may attach a definite idea to many of its statements—may be able to see their mutual relations—to reason upon them,.. and even to expound them;... and yet in the scriptural sense, he may be in darkness notwithstanding.”

Edwin Palmer observes,..... “In Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus, what the rich man’s brothers needed for their conversion was not more knowledge or a proof by a man rising from the dead. No, they had Moses and the prophets.... What they needed was a spiritual awakening and illumination so they could believe what was already in the Bible.”

The scribes and Pharisees believed in the literal truth of the Hebrew Scriptures ..but still they rejected the Lord of Glory and had Him crucified.

The Holy Spirit enlightens a person, not by giving an added content of knowledge,... but by mysteriously operating on his heart so that he can see the revelation ‘already given’.

The image used in Scripture is of removing a veil. In 2 Corinthians 3:15 Paul says of the unbelieving Jews,..... “But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.”.... He continues, ....“Nevertheless, when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away” (2 Cor. 3:16).

The truth was there before them all the time, only they were prevented from seeing it.

Exerts from...

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/holy_illum.shtml


577 posted on 01/01/2012 8:08:45 PM PST by caww
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