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To: restornu; Saundra Duffy; Elsie; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; Godzilla; SZonian
For those who aren't restornu, skip to the bold. As I understand it, restornu, you do not believe that Joseph Smith, Jr., engaged on polygamy or polyandry. I promised that I would provided you with links from Latter-Day Saints' sources on the topic. Please note that none of these sources These sources are from fairLDS.org. Although not officially speaking for the LDS Church, you have cited FAIR on occasion, and Saundra Duffey had listed them before as the #1 source to go to for information, even before LDS.org on her list of sites.

These all make it clear that Joseph Smith, Jr. was a polygamist:

Introduction of the Practice (to Joseph Smith), at fairLDS

Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry, at fairLDS (this is about the practice by Joseph Smith of marrying multiple women in addition to Emma Hale Smith, including women who were already married to other men - polyandry)

Pre-publication book chapter approved by FAIR on the subject of Smith's polygamous marriages

Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Plural Wives> some FAIR articles on a few of Smith's polygamous wives

Joseph Smith/Polygamy/Marriages to Young Women a FAIR articles with multiple subarticles regarding some of the young wives of Smith - you'll notice that "polygamny" is preceded and followed by a "/" in the title. That's because there are so many articles about and attempting to justify Smith's actions regarding his polygamy that there's an entire subsection on LDS polygamy devoted to Joseph Smith's polygamy within FAIR

There are countless books on the subject. You could start with In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, a meticulously researched book by LDS author and Ph.D. professor Todd Compton, which won the Best Book Award by both the Mormon History Association and John Whitmer Historical Association. It's 798 pages long. It takes each women Compton can document as a wife (nobody knows exactly how many - the Kirtland temple's records on Joseph Smith's wifes have been sealed in recent history by the First Presidency), and documents their feelings based in their diaries, journals, letters, conversations with friends and family. When a young girl tells another in a letter than she thought she was only marrying Joseph Smith ceremonially, but that he took her to bed that night and married her 'in deed,' well . . . those poignant words of a young girl tell what took place.

Or read Rough Stone Rolling, by Richard Bushman, a LDS professor of Mormon Studies. Yes, it's an apologetic account of Joseph Smith, Jr.'s life, but it includes polygamy and polyandry.

Friends? Were you aware that www.lds.ord appears to have recently scrubbed its site of the "History of the Church"? Or at least that appears to be the case. This multi-volume publication of the LDS Church's history, started by Joseph Smith, Jr., used to be on the www.lds.org website. I was going to link my bookmarked pages from that history for days when Joseph Smith took specific polygamous wives and the mention of them.

My links are no longer valid. So I assumed they were moved. It's easy to search for the History of the Church.

If I search "History of the Church" on the site, none of that huge publication (save part of Chapter 1 in Pearl of Great Price) exists on www.lds.org.

If you attempt to access history, you'll be taken to a new subdomain, called josephsmithpaper.org. The history's not there.

it's been scrubbed. Please show me if I'm wrong. All of those inconsistencies with current teachings, all of those historical issues with the church that could be cited to the official LDS cite and no to third-party cites . . . they're gone.

95 posted on 12/28/2011 4:27:26 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
it's been scrubbed. Please show me if I'm wrong. All of those inconsistencies with current teachings, all of those historical issues with the church that could be cited to the official LDS cite and no to third-party cites . . . they're gone.

 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


96 posted on 12/28/2011 4:34:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster
Is there ANY doubt now; as to what kind of an Organization we are dealing with here?
97 posted on 12/28/2011 4:36:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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