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To: svcw

BTW it was not unusual in those days to marry young as 14 with parent consent.

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Believe and spin what you want and as I said before

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts


72 posted on 12/27/2011 8:50:06 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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Helen Mar Kimball
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Plural_wives/Helen_Mar_Kimball


73 posted on 12/27/2011 9:12:29 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: restornu
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts

Even about PREBYTERIANism?

75 posted on 12/27/2011 10:51:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: restornu

What I site comes directly from your FAIR, the place you quote from on a regular bases.
Sorry Resty, J Smith’s legal wife wrote much on her husband having sex with other women INCLUDING the underaged “wife” that lived with them.
If you want to say that is spin, then it appears you are completely blind to your own mormon history.


79 posted on 12/27/2011 12:33:05 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: restornu
Who cares if a 14 yr could or could not get married in those days. Smith was ALREADY married, that made him at a minimum an adultery hound.
86 posted on 12/27/2011 3:48:15 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: restornu

Just so you learn something, according to government statistics the average woman married at 24.5. You could marry as young as 16 with parents permission in most states. Legal age to marry was 21.


88 posted on 12/27/2011 3:59:22 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: restornu
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts

Respectfully, on another thread you continue to insist that only one gun was present in the hands of the LDS members in the Carthage Jail. I've given you the quotes and links to the LDS History of the Church. The LDS History of the Church says two guns (more than once).

Here's what the LDS Church Educational System says (with photos of the two guns); read the fourth paragraph:

Here's the photo from www.fairlods.org, showing the two guns and telling where they are now:

A different part of History of the Church, Vol. 6, Chapters, 33-34, pages 602-622 picks up after Joseph Smith’s secretary, John S. Fulmer has just made his last visit to Smith in the Carthage jail:

”9:40 a.m. … [W]heelock prepared to visit the prison. The morning being a little rainy, favored his wearing an overcoat, in the side pocket of which he was enabled to carry a six shooter, and he passed the guard unmolested. During his visit in the prison he slipped the revolver into Joseph's pocket. Joseph examined it, and asked Wheelock if he had not better retain it for his own protection.
This was a providential circumstance, as most other persons had been very rigidly searched. Joseph then handed the single barrel pistol which had been given him by John S. Fullmer, to his brother Hyrum, and said, "You may have use for this." Brother Hyrum observed, "I hate to use such things or to see them used." "So do I," said Joseph, "but we may have to, to defend ourselves;" upon this Hyrum took the pistol.

A six-shooter and a single-barrel. Two guns.

And Chapter 35 makes it clear both Hyrum and Joseph had guns, and both pulled the trigger of their respective guns:

”5:00 p.m. … Hyrum was retreating back in front of the door and snapped his pistol, when a ball struck him in the left side of his nose, and he fell on his back on the floor saying, "I am a dead man!" As he fell on the floor another ball from the outside entered his left side, and passed through his body with such force that it completely broke to pieces the watch he wore in his vest pocket, and at the same instant another ball from the door grazed his breast, and entered his head by the throat; subsequently a fourth ball entered his left leg.

A shower of balls was pouring through all parts of the room, many of which lodged in the ceiling just above the head of Hyrum.

Joseph reached round the door casing, and discharged is six shooter into the passage, some barrels missing fire.

Resornu, it's clear there were two guns. LDS Elders Cyrus Wheelock and John Fullmer each smuggled on in. Joseph and Hyrum Smith each had one. These photos and sources are all LDS sources.

Yet you insist there was only one gun and then say people are not entitled to their own facts?

I'm missing something.

134 posted on 12/28/2011 11:25:46 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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