[Cronos]

Cronos: do you mean that circumcision is not required as per the Torah?

Patlin: with those that claim Torah is connected to salvation. It is NOT.

huh? who said anything about whether it is connected to salvation or not -- as your post finally admitted "Torah does require circumcision for blessing" -- yet Paul rejected physical circumcision for anything, so how can one then say Paul were Jewish who followed Messiah in the keeping and teaching of Torah -- - he quite clearly did NOT keep the teachings of the Torah on this matter

[patlin]

I can not seem to find the verses in Scripture wherein Paul say not to keep Torah. Where Paul out right rejected circumcision. Did he not tell the circumcision Torah terrorists that Moses is read in the synagogue every sabbath? YES he did. Therefore the new converts would learn the instructions over time and it will be the circumcision of their hearts that will bring them into obedience as they learn.

What part of Messiah saying that his doctrine is not his but the doctrine of the One that sent him? What part of there was no other instruction book than Torah to read and teach from don't you understand? What part of YHVH saying He never changes is so hard to understand? Are traditions of man so important that they now supersede the Word of YHVH?