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To: Tennessee Nana

I have far less problems with adult consentual polygamy than with homosexuality.
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Thats interesting...

Because God has “problems” with both of those sexual deviancies...

According to God both are equal as sins and both have the same penalty of damnation...


That is very interesting.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

If polygamy was considered an abomination God would not have permitted his chosen men, Abraham and Jacob to have more than one wife.

Some people might say that it was for a special purpose, but God would not have any part of an abomination for any purpose.


44 posted on 12/21/2011 6:59:42 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

God would not have permitted his chosen men, Abraham and Jacob to have more than one wife.
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God didnt...

Abraham didnt marry again until after Sarah had died...

He also had a concubine, Haggai but she was never his wife...

She remained always, Sarah’s slave/servant...

As for Jacob,

yes he “married” his cousins, 2 sisters..

it was the conniving on behalf of an ugly unmarriagable daughter by his FIL that gave Jacob first Leah as a wife and then a week later, Rachel..

It was Laban’s idea not God’s..

Jacob never checked with God to see what He thought of Laban’s suggestion..

Jacob wanted Rachel and he would get her one way or another..

He even foolishly offered to work for Labaqn as a slave (no pay) for SEVEN YEARS in order to have her..

So Laban took him up on the offer..

and sent in Leah at the end of the 7 years..

Then Jacob worked another 7 for Leah...

This was not a man who checked with God...

God didnt rule his decisions...his desires did..

Laban lowered his daughter’s worth by giving her as a concubine and not as a legal wife..

Leah and Rachel were always in competition for Jacobs affection...

Later the 2 girls plotted to give their servants to their husband to make more babies in order to be the favorite..

There was no peace in that household..

Leah was the legal wife...Rachel was just an extra..

It was through Leah’s line that Jesus came..(Judah)

and Levi was also Leah’s son..through whom the priestly line came..

Rachels line ..Joseph and Benjamin..

Benjamin was cursed and Joseph did climb out of the pit...

But not because of his father ...it was due to his own actions..

Leah was blessed with several sons while Rachel was cursed and barren..

When the LORD saw that Leah was not loved, he opened her womb, but Rachel was barren. Genesis 29:31

Why was God concerned with whom Jacob loved ???

Because Leah was the legal wife and Rachel wasnt..

Jacob knew God was displeaed with him because he had “taken” Rachel..

Jacob became angry with her and said, “Am I in the place of God, who has kept you from having children?” Genesis 30:2

Its significant that Leah’s 6th and last son was Judah..

It was about 20 years before Joseph Rachels first born arrived..

Meanwhile she like Sarah had given her handmaiden/slave to Jacob to make babies for her...

Since Leah wasnt getting pregnant anymore, she too gave her young handmaiden/slave to Jacob to make babies..

These were not wives...they were SLAVES...owned body and soul..

They had no say in whom they had sex with..

Rachel’s slave Bilbah had 2 sons and Leah’s slave Zilpah had 2 sons..

None of it God’s idea..

Then finally Rachel had a son..Joseph was born

It was years again before Benjamin was born...and Rachel died..

This family was so messed up that Jacob the husband was treated like a gigilo by his legal wife...

So when Jacob came in from the fields that evening, Leah went out to meet him. “You must sleep with me,” she said. “I have hired you with my son’s mandrakes.” So he slept with her that night. Genesis 30:16

No God wasnt responsible for any of that abomination..


47 posted on 12/21/2011 7:54:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ravenwolf
If polygamy was considered an abomination God would not have permitted his chosen men, Abraham and Jacob to have more than one wife.

Sorry. Doesn't work that way. God Himself instructed Hosea to marry Gomer, a prostitute.

Per your logic, Gomer would have given up her prostitute role post-marriage. She didn't. (She made it part of her "cottage industry").

Jacob didn't launch into polygamy because God told him to...Deception was the root...and then wives' child-bearing race kicked in re: them having their servants sleep with him. Deception...jealousy...hardly "godly" motivators.

Nobody ever referenced Hagar as a "wife" except Sarah. And then only once. After Abraham slept with her (for all we know, it may have happened only one time), the Angel of the Lord doesn't reference her as a wife...only a servant of her mistress (Sarah).

Abraham doesn't.

Moses, who compiled Genesis, doesn't several chapters later.

The apostle Paul, when mentioning Hagar in Galatians 4, doesn't.

She was still a mere servant-girl status post becoming pregnant.

51 posted on 12/21/2011 9:55:54 AM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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