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To: Colofornian

I do know that the book of Mormon forbids polygamy, not that i believe in the book of Mormon, but we have the very same thing going on in most of the other Churches to some extent, and that thing is false doctrine, false Prophets.

Individuals like Joesph Smith or Jim Jones make a mockery out of the word of God, how can people do that some one may ask, the answer is because it was going on even during the time of the early Church and continued through the Holy roman empire.

Paul tells us about it, so any one who reads the scriptures can see it, paid preaches, trying to get more members so they can get more money.

If a main stream Church can make a mockery out of Gods word then what is to keep some one else from doing the same thing? it is just like Government, if Government is run by a bunch of crooks is it so surprising that they will have a lot of competition in thievery?

So we have a habit of picking one thief out ( the one we think is the worse of the lot )of maybe a thousand and try to make an example out of them., get the worlds attention on them so they will not see our own ignorance.

Maybe people should read acts 4 and 5 to find just what it means to be an actual (believers do not have to be members) member of the church.

Read Tim ch 3 to see the qualifications for the church leaders

read 1 Tim ch 5:9 through v 16 not just every one is qualified to be a member of the Church.

It should not even be necessary to say that Church members are under obedience to the Church or are supposed to be.

Believers are not under any obedience to the Church but are only subject to God.

acts 5:14
And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) they did not all become church members, they had to work because they had family’s to take care of.

The Church members sold what they had and gave it to the church and they all lived in common, so it is easy to see that the alms that the Church collected could not have come from the members of the Church, it had to come from believers who were not members of the Church.


39 posted on 12/21/2011 6:18:38 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf
So we have a habit of picking one thief out ( the one we think is the worse of the lot )of maybe a thousand and try to make an example out of them., get the worlds attention on them so they will not see our own ignorance.Who just happens to CLAIM that he's NOT a thief; and then we see the STOLEN things right there in his hands!
41 posted on 12/21/2011 6:40:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ravenwolf
Maybe people should read acts 4 and 5 to find just what it means to be an actual (believers do not have to be members) member of the church.

I'd suggest 15.


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
42 posted on 12/21/2011 6:41:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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