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What kind of Catholic is Newt Gingrich?
Washington Post ^ | 12/14/2011 | Mathew N. Schmalz

Posted on 12/14/2011 10:41:59 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave
Please show me where I said "you believe in this" (whatever "this" means).

your post 22 -- I guess us xx are all going to Hell, huh? and Sd said it's not true.

instead of saying "ok", your post 32 called us "religious bigots" -- really? when we say that your statement about our beliefs is false?

121 posted on 12/15/2011 7:01:17 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos

John 14:6. New International Version (NIV). Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Look. If Salvation says that his church is the one true church, and since I’m not a member of that church - that NECESSARILY means I’m going to Hell.

But SD corrected me. He graciously pointed out that Catholics have decided we can go to Heaven (Oh Goodie) Even though we are imperfectly linked.

That pal - is condescending. So yeah. I’ll retract the sarcastic comment that us proddies are going to Hell. As soon as you Catholics get off your high horse about your church being the “Only True Church”.


122 posted on 12/15/2011 7:05:23 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Cronos

On what basis does the Church of Christ believe one is saved?

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Easy answer.

The Bible. Whereas you guys need someone else to add to it. (The Pope.)


123 posted on 12/15/2011 7:09:17 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Cronos
It's occurred to me that you have not seen this comment. Or if you have - you have ignored it. So here it is.
 
Why do you say that Catholicism is a flaw? Isn't it the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church? The TRUE church?

And where have I said the same about the Church of Christ?
 
 


124 posted on 12/15/2011 7:13:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: FryingPan101
"he skips" -- well, yeah. I don't like the annulment used in this case either. he may have proved it to the canonical lawyers, but I still believe divorce is wrong and Newt was wrong to have those divorces.

I think he's got a bad moral past. On policies while in office he has been conservative. I think he'd be a good choice for candidate -- and note that before him I supported first Bachman then Cain before I only in the past couple of weeks (slightly before Cain's "scandals") started seeing Gingrich as the viable choice with Cain.

I was on this board months ago before the debates supporting Bachman despite the lib media's attempts to cause friction between Catholics and her campaign. I supported her as I thought she was the best person -- Lutheran or not, but then she turned out to be a whiner attacking everyone BUT Romney.

I supported a Baptist like Cain because I believed he was the right person -- I still like him and hope he gets a position in the cabinet if not VP.

Now I support Gingrich because he is a good choice -- he has been conservative IN government, he is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. he is fiscally sound and he is against Islam.

And he can kick Obambi's hind-quarters in any debate.

He may skip, but he can still kick Obmbi and bring the US out of its terminal velocity.

125 posted on 12/15/2011 7:15:41 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Nailed it. Like Catholics care what other sorts of Christians think of them enough to lie about what is believed or not believed on an anonymous internet forum.

Freegards


126 posted on 12/15/2011 7:20:19 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: FryingPan101
Make no mistake -- I dislike Romney because he's a RINO. Gingrich is not a RINO -- I support him NOT because he's Catholic, that's not entered in the equation at all.

If I could support a Baptist or a Lutheran or a Pentecostal or whatever other conservative, I would -- 4 more years of Obama ensures that the US becomes a failed state in 2020.

Even Romney isn't as bad as Obambi -- he would slow it so that we'd only fail in 2025 :)

Palin would be best for a complete reversal back to our position of strength, but in her absence I sincerely believe that Gingrich, with all his flaws, is the best choice. He will reverse the rot. He may not be able to kill it -- but we can push him to do that -- at the minimum he will reverse it.

127 posted on 12/15/2011 7:22:40 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: FryingPan101
in fact as I said on this thread about Bachmann I'm Catholic and while I don't like the language in the WELS statement, I recognize it as a historical viewpoint not their belief today. They disagree with my beliefs as I do with theirs.

Michelle, one may like or not like, but she does not hold to his belief and I would be surprised if this was a regular sermon at her WELS Church

I posted this as an example of media trying to toss anything and everything against a viable GOP candidate.

But as you can see here on this thread, some of the closet Dim supporters are out there trying to prove me wrong that they will toss out a candidate just because he's Catholic and not saved according to them (post 33).

128 posted on 12/15/2011 7:48:13 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd

yes, Jesus said “NO ONE comes to the Father except through me” - and Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior. Those who reject this, like Jevhohs Witnesses put their salvation at risk — do you not believe that?


129 posted on 12/15/2011 7:54:14 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos

I do. Thanks for posting Gospel.


130 posted on 12/15/2011 7:55:51 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Responsibility2nd
you said " If Salvaiton says that his church is the one true church, and since I’m not a member of that church - that NECESSARILY means I’m going to Hell."

No -- that logical process chain is wrong.

the One true church, incidently your Church of Christ says that same thing.

You are not a member of that Church, true, but you still believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, right? Part of the ONE triune God, right? If you do believe that, then you are still connected to us, you are not damned for not being in full communion with us.

Now, whether you go to heaven is between you and God. We just repeat that if one does not acknowledge ONE GOD, Father-Son-holy Spirit, then Jesus Christ, the WORD of God points out that one will not get to heaven.

131 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:46 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: esquirette; Responsibility2nd

I know you do believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior — you, esquirette are a Presbyterian and believe in the tenets of the Nicene Creed, correct?


132 posted on 12/15/2011 8:03:50 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; Ransomed; Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave
well, it gets tiring when the same lies are repeated over and over again

As Hegewisch said It's something between hopelessly sad and ludicrously amusing that so many here feel the need to tell Catholics what they believe, even when they are repeatedly corrected and told it is not true

Responsibility2nd --> why does your post 22 make false statements?

your post 22 -- I guess us xx are all going to Hell, huh? and Sd said it's not true.

instead of saying "ok", your post 32 called us "religious bigots" -- really? when we say that your statement about our beliefs is false?

133 posted on 12/15/2011 8:05:40 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos

If you do believe that, then you are still connected to us, you are not damned for not being in full communion with us.

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OK, I believe “in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, ... Part of the ONE triune God...” But I REJECT that I’m “connected to us” (us being your Catholic Church.

So. Am I “damned”?


134 posted on 12/15/2011 8:09:22 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yet, that is what the Church of Christ believes, doesn’t it — that the CoC is the one True Church. Do you believe that as a member of the CoC?


135 posted on 12/15/2011 8:10:56 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There, again you've added another lie. Why do you make statements like "you believe in THIS, I say so. Now tell me why you believe in that?"

And then we tell you we don't believe that and you state another false statement trying to tell us what we believe in -- why?

136 posted on 12/15/2011 8:12:25 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave; Salvation
Let's see -- why does your group, the Church of Christ say that has restored the New Testament church—"the ancient order." All other groups are in error, lost, and apostate. ?
137 posted on 12/15/2011 8:14:41 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave; Salvation; Hegewisch Dupa; Ransomed
Let's see -- why does your group, the Church of Christ say here on their websites -- go to bulletin articles then "Are there devout Christians in denominations" and we see that your religious group, the Church of Christ says
Sadly, many in our brotherhood would answer “yes” to this question.

Are there devout Christians in denominations? No.

Your religious group, the Church of Christ clearly calls all Protestants as not devout Christians -- why?

138 posted on 12/15/2011 8:17:30 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave; Salvation; Hegewisch Dupa; Ransomed; esquirette
Let's see -- why does your group, the Church of Christ reject the Creeds and yet say that what a person must do to be saved—"obey the gospel"—which starts with the formula "Hear, Believe, Repent, Confess, and Be Baptized." when other Christians like esquirette's Presbyterians etc would say that the gospel is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.

why does your religious group put it's own spin on the Gospel?

139 posted on 12/15/2011 8:19:45 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Responsibility2nd; SoothingDave; Salvation; Hegewisch Dupa; Ransomed; esquirette
Isn't it through that your denomination, the Church of Christ says that God's grace and the righteousness of Christ may be nice to have, but are not necessary for salvation because one can save himself by obedience?
140 posted on 12/15/2011 8:21:02 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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