[Normandy]

I have never regretted “checking out” Mormonism. I became convinced of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over a quarter century ago, and have found a life far more abundant than I had known before.

Normandy

[elcid1970]

Merry Smithmas and greetings from star Kolob, from a member of the “great and abominable church”! Or, “whore of Babylon” if you will.

Tell us more about those Jewish Indians who exterminated the “white and delightsome” Nephites so completely that no trace of the latter has ever been discovered.

But don’t listen to a posting Catholic drunk; go to your Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants, check out the pronouncements of the General Authorities concerning the “church of the devil”. And dig the truths of the Book of Abraham, don’t forget.

Remember always that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

[elcid1970]

Merry Smithmas and greetings from star Kolob, from a member of the “great and abominable church”! Or, “whore of Babylon” if you will.

Tell us more about those Jewish Indians who exterminated the “white and delightsome” Nephites so completely that no trace of the latter has ever been discovered.

But don’t listen to a posting Catholic drunk; go to your Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants, check out the pronouncements of the General Authorities concerning the “church of the devil”. And dig the truths of the Book of Abraham, don’t forget.

Remember always that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

[Elsie]

I became convinced of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...

The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

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Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

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*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.

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Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:

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What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

[Elsie]

I became convinced of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...

“Keep my commandments continually,…except thou do this, where I am you cannot come.”

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The Bible tells us we are all under sin, unrighteous and unworthy of God’s favor. The apostle Paul even lamented that he desired to do what is right, but was unable to carry it out (Rom 3:9-20; 7:18-19).

What Mormonism says God demands is impossible to achieve (see 1 Ne 3:7).

[Elsie]

I became convinced of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...

Doctrine and Covenants

  18:46

And after that you have received this, if you keep not my commandments you cannot be saved in the kingdom of my Father.

[Elsie]

And after that you have received this, if you keep not my commandments you cannot be saved in the kingdom of my Father.

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

I have never regretted “checking out” Mormonism.

You ain't DEAD yet...

Good luck when you meet JS and he asks you about POLYGAMY!!

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[MHGinTN]

Then perhaps you will explain how the following assertion from your church's Journal of Discourses is not the spirit of antichrist writ large in MormonISM:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"I have never regretted “checking out” Mormonism. I became convinced of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over a quarter century ago, and have found a life far more abundant than I had known before."

Like Essau, some will trade that which is eternally valuable for that which appears to have temporal value or comfort.

I'm just sorry you are one of them, Normandy. The abundant comfort is now. The eternal regret comes later.

[reaganaut]

Well you WILL regret it someday, either in this life or the next.

There are no second chances and Mormonism is the HOV lane to a very real Hell for a very real eternity (not the Mormon definition btw).

And none of us want that for you, we don’t.