Posted on 12/13/2011 8:11:29 AM PST by Colofornian
We know theres a problem. Heres how the bulk of us as Mormons see the problem:
SYMPTOMS: Americans have an anti-Mormon bias which manifests itself on the right with Evangelicals who call Mormonism non-Christian (and who cost Mitt Romney the Iowa Republican Caucus) and on the left with secularists and atheists decrying Mormonisms foundational stories as an obvious fraud.
DIAGNOSIS: Mormons are persecuted by non-Mormons for their weird beliefs.
RECOMMENDED TREATMENT: De-emphasize (or eliminate) weird beliefs. Explain Mormonism using highly-nuanced language, which we (as Mormons) believe will satisfy non-Mormon ears (milk before meat).
We keep going back to the doctor because the symptoms persist. We keep refilling the prescription and we now seem addicted to the medicine.
Unfortunately, that the diagnosis is wrong. Weird beliefs are not causing the symptoms. In the past generation, America generally has become increasingly tolerant of weird beliefs. America is more broadly pluralistic because of the influx of traditional religions that were previously unrepresented in the US (and therefore are filled with unfamiliar, weird beliefs), e.g., Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims, and also because the rise of indigenous weird beliefs: wicca, neo-paganism, American Buddhism and the various New Age ideas. (Is America ready for a neo-pagan president? No, because the masses of neo-pagans are college kids. Is America ready for a Sikh president? No, because most Sikhs are 1st generation immigrants. Is America ready for a Mormon president? Yes. Mo Udall would have beaten Gerald Ford, if he had bested Jimmy Carter in the 1976 Democratic primaries.) My point is that our society is prepared to be more broadly pluralistic than ever before. The primary component of pluralism is tolerance for our neighbors weird beliefs.
If its not so-called weird beliefs, whats the real cause? I believe the cause of the problem is medicine we keep taking and that the underlying and resulting problem we face is credibility. Its the milk before meat approach itself that undermines Mormon credibility. The examples of how this true problem manifests itself are so numerous even in the past year alone its hard to pick from among them. Lets consider just one of 21 Questions Answered About Mormon Faith that the Fox News prepared in conjunction wiht the LDS churchs PR folks:
Q: Does the Mormon Church believe its followers can become gods and goddesses after death?
A: We believe that the apostle Peters biblical reference to partaking of the divine nature and the apostle Pauls reference to being joint heirs with Christ reflect the intent that children of God should strive to emulate their Heavenly Father in every way. Throughout the eternities, Mormons believe, they will reverence and worship God the Father and Jesus Christ. The goal is not to equal them or to achieve parity with them but to imitate and someday acquire their perfect goodness, love and other divine attributes.
Whachama-come again? This is a hefty dose of the medicine of de-emphasizing weird beliefs when speaking to non-Mormons. Can you argue that this bizarre answer is not false? Of course! And whenever anyone argues that any one of these medicinal answers is false, apologetic Mormons across the blogosphere will leap into heroic action in the answers defense.
And that is the problem! The problem is not whether the medicinal answers can be argued to be not-false. The problem is that these answers are not open and forthright, and that they thus lack credbility.
The real problem Mormons face is not that we have weirdness. Its that we lack credibility.
“”Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; “
One problem. They believe everything can be changed by a future revelation, even if that revelation came while the US government was threatening to take the Temples.
Channeling giant from the Princess Bride...”I don’t think that word means what you think it means...”
‘Eyem not sure that word means what chu think it means, my friend.’
I could never figure out why the Mormon God was such an overt racist. Maybe it is something left over from his character while still a man.
I hate to ask, but did you forget your /sarc tag?
Like Essau, some will trade that which is eternally valuable for that which appears to have temporal value or comfort.
I'm just sorry you are one of them, Normandy. The abundant comfort is now. The eternal regret comes later.
Well you WILL regret it someday, either in this life or the next.
There are no second chances and Mormonism is the HOV lane to a very real Hell for a very real eternity (not the Mormon definition btw).
And none of us want that for you, we don’t.
One problem: they claim that the previous 'revelation' is SCRIPTURE; so if there is a later one that CHANGES what the first said; it sure better be 'scripture', too!
Where's the evidence of it?
One problem: they claim that the previous 'revelation' is SCRIPTURE; so if there is a later one that CHANGES what the first said; it sure better be 'scripture', too!
Where's the evidence of it?
The FOLLOWING is their 'explanation':
POLYGAMY is STILL the Official Doctrine of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints - based in Salt Laker City.
NOTHING was changed in the MORMONic scriptures.
Here - read for yourself - just SEE if 'GOD' told them to change ANYTHING about their belief.
To Whom It May Concern:
Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy
I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.
One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.
There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.
WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:
I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.
The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.
Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.
Hebrews 11:35-40
35. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36. Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37. They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated-- 38. the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. |
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
Hi Reaganaut,
Thanks for the good wishes.
I hope and pray that through the mercies of Christ I may be saved in His kingdom.
Best,
Normandy
The BIBLE still speaks:
Joshua 24:15(NKJV)If you are BIC, then you are now serving 'the gods which your fathers served'....choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
If not, then you have made a conscience decision to cling to what the Mormon hierarchy has proclaimed.
No matter which side of the aisle you reside, you can change your mind.
MORMONism says that the FULLNESS of the Gospel can be found in the Book of Mormon.
If that is true; then stay where you are.
Restoration of Jesus Christ’s Gospel (From WhyMORMONism)
http://whymormonism.org/21/translation_book_of_mormon
I hope and pray that through the mercies of Christ I may be saved in His kingdom.
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You don’t have to hope and pray. You can know by accepting the Christ of the Bible. Unfortuantely, that means leaving Mormonism and all of the non-biblical trappings (like their priesthood, modern prophets, BoM, PGP, godhood etc).
I do know that the LDS believe Mormonism is compatible with the Bible, but a real study of the Bible (preferably a non LDS KJV) will show any one of them it is not. Many LDS have left because they really read the Bible and I pray that someday you will as well.
It isn’t about a ‘one true church’ or a ‘restoration’ it is only about Christ and Christ is just a footnote in Mormonism even though they are programmed to say otherwise.
I will be praying for you.
Forget? No, but was it really necessary?
You would be surprised at some of the comments we get on here, so yeah it isn’t a bad idea. LOL.
Psychologists in Utah have no shortage of Mormon women as clients who are anti-depressants at a much higher rate than the national average.
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