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To: D-fendr
>> It’s indicative of someone who is insecure in their beliefs when they have to be dishonest about others’.<<

Oh really?

CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

Saint Irenaeus
- “Do we cast blame on him [God] because we were not made gods at our beginning, but first we were made men, then, in the end, gods?’ (Against Heresies 4, 38)

- How then will any be a god, if he has not first been made a man? (Henry Bettenson, The Early Christian Fathers: A Selection from the Writings of the Fathers from St. Clement of Rome to St. Athanasius (London: Oxford University Press, 1956)

Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria - “The Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods. . . . Just as the Lord, putting on the body, became a man, so also we men are both deified through his flesh, and henceforth inherit everlasting life.” Athanasius, Against the Arians, 1.39, 3.39.

117 posted on 12/12/2011 9:11:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You know how to snippet, what’s not know is if you know how to learn.

Study the councils on the nature of Christ. Constantinople and Nicea declared the divinity of Christ and the Most Holy Trinity. Concepts you may have heard of, but may be only in the same manner of snippets.

The next question before the Church was what happened when the humanity and divinity were united in Christ. This is the topic leading up to the Council of Chalcedon. No one had yet clearly explained what it means to say that the union of God in humanity brings immortality and glory to human nature.

We have then Cyrils Twelve Anathemas against Nestorius (whose teaching we see alive on these threads).

We have a great deal of discussion on the interchange of properties or communicatio idiomatum, we have the Antiochenes and the Alexandrians, Eutyches, the definition of Chalcedon and much much more.

To say of this “Catholics are the ones who are going to become gods also right?” is an embarrassment of ignorance.

You can either be honest and learn what it is you think you are talking about or remain ignorant. Past this point it can only be surmised that it is a willful ignorance.

To use willful ignorance as a point in debate is dishonest. And dishonesty about the other side’s position or beliefs is... yes, indicative of a weakness and insecurity about one’s beliefs.

In this context we have Iranaeus’ maxim in the second century and Athanasius reiteration in the fourth.


119 posted on 12/12/2011 9:27:11 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear

122 posted on 12/12/2011 9:28:59 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear

You post brief snippets of early Church writings concerning the development of Christology and the Most Holy Trinity.

And, you’ve posted a huge amount of words on your own take on Church teaching.

How about this:

Post your own beliefs and teaching on who Christ is and the Holy Trinity. Cover all the same bases and questions, be specific, and take as much time and space as you need: for your own doctrine and beliefs on the subject.


128 posted on 12/12/2011 9:59:58 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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