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To: CynicalBear

You know how to snippet, what’s not know is if you know how to learn.

Study the councils on the nature of Christ. Constantinople and Nicea declared the divinity of Christ and the Most Holy Trinity. Concepts you may have heard of, but may be only in the same manner of snippets.

The next question before the Church was what happened when the humanity and divinity were united in Christ. This is the topic leading up to the Council of Chalcedon. No one had yet clearly explained what it means to say that the union of God in humanity brings immortality and glory to human nature.

We have then Cyrils Twelve Anathemas against Nestorius (whose teaching we see alive on these threads).

We have a great deal of discussion on the interchange of properties or communicatio idiomatum, we have the Antiochenes and the Alexandrians, Eutyches, the definition of Chalcedon and much much more.

To say of this “Catholics are the ones who are going to become gods also right?” is an embarrassment of ignorance.

You can either be honest and learn what it is you think you are talking about or remain ignorant. Past this point it can only be surmised that it is a willful ignorance.

To use willful ignorance as a point in debate is dishonest. And dishonesty about the other side’s position or beliefs is... yes, indicative of a weakness and insecurity about one’s beliefs.

In this context we have Iranaeus’ maxim in the second century and Athanasius reiteration in the fourth.


119 posted on 12/12/2011 9:27:11 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

127 posted on 12/12/2011 9:49:06 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: D-fendr; HossB86; RnMomof7; metmom; boatbums; caww
>>Constantinople and Nicea declared the divinity of Christ and the Most Holy Trinity.<<

They declared the divinity of Christ? The utter blasphemy of that statement astounds me. The arrogance is beyond anything I’ve ever seen. As if somehow Christ was not divine prior to some carnal organization declaring it and needed authentication from them. The audacity is striking to say the least.

>>No one had yet clearly explained what it means to say that the union of God in humanity brings immortality and glory to human nature.<<

Is there no end to the arrogance? You’re trying to make us believe that for the millennia prior to Constantinople no one knew or understood and somehow out of some revelation that no one prior had experienced they, the enlightened ones, could now officially declare that indeed Christ was who He said He was? How completely and totally preposterous.

>>In this context we have Iranaeus’ maxim in the second century and Athanasius reiteration in the fourth.<<

Well, I would just say that you should then put your trust in those in whom your faith resides. Keep your holy beads close and your statues in site. Venerate your relics and repeat your chants. Faithfully repeat your rituals and sacrifices. Make your weekly visit to your confessor and hope for the best.

I’ll put my trust in Christ who secured once and for all my redemption.

149 posted on 12/13/2011 6:23:01 AM PST by CynicalBear
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