Joseph Smith: Blessed Be His Name [Mormon Merry Smithmas]

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[Elsie]

I guess this is how the anti Mormons on FR are going to celebrate Christmas - by trying to tear down my Church.

You may have a point

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Do you SUPPORT or DENOUNCE the following statements???

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[ejonesie22]

Joe Smith killed him a bear when he was only three?

[Saundra Duffy]

“Sandy the lds christ is not sufficient as lds must agree to work for their salvation.”

That is absolutely not true. Jesus Christ already paid the price for me. I do agree that it would be a good idea to keep the Commandments but only He knows my heart.

[svcw]

If you beleive this Sandy then you are not practicing mormonISM because that statement about Christ being sufficient is not what is taught in your D&C, hence the phrase “after all you can do”.

That “after all you can do” has been reinforced but your leaders since the beginning.

Christians beleive that Christ paid the price on the Cross, lds teaches He paid the price in the Garden and you must work and continue to follow all the rules in order to be “saved”.

Sorry, Sandy but that is what lds teaches, your statement does not agree with your lds professions.

[Elsie]

Meanwhile, we Mormons absolutely love this time of year when we celebrate the birth of our Savior who was born of the Virgin Mary, who gave Himself a perfect Atoning Sacrifice to save us from our sins.

Who was IMPREGNATED in the 'normal' manner.

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“Christ was Begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.”
(Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 547, 1966)

 

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that some Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost.”
(Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 7)

 

“[Jesus Christ] was willing to make payment because of his great love for mankind, and he was able to make payment because he lived a sinless life and because he was actually, literally, biologically the Son of God in the flesh.”
(Messages for Exaltation, For the Sunday Schools of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gospel Doctrine Class, pages 378-379, 1967)

 

Orson Pratt
“God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. Hence, the Father saith concerning him, ‘Thou are my Son, this day have I begotten thee.’ We are informed in the first chapter of Luke, that Mary was chosen by the Father as a choice virgin, through whom He begat Jesus. The angel said unto the Virgin Mary, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also, that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’ After the power of the Highest had overshadowed Mary, and she had by that means conceived, she related the circumstance to her cousin Elizabeth in the following words: ‘He that is Mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name.’ It seems from this relation that the Holy Ghost accompanied ‘the Highest’ when He overshadowed the Virgin Mary and begat Jesus; and from this circumstance some have supposed that the body of Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost without the instrumentality of the immediate presence of the Father. There is no doubt that the Holy Ghost came upon Mary to sanctify her, and make her holy, and prepare her to endure the glorious presence of “the Highest’, that when ‘He’ should ‘overshadow’ her she might conceive, being filled with the Holy Ghost; hence the angel said, as recorded in Matthew, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost;’ that is, the Holy Ghost gave her strength to abide in the presence of the Father without being consumed, but it was the personage of the Father who begat the body of Jesus; and for this reason Jesus is called ‘the Only Begotten of the Father;’ that is, the only one in this world whose fleshly body was begotten by the Father. There were millions of sons and daughters who he begat before the foundation of this world, but they were spirits, and not bodies of flesh and bones; whereas, both the spirit and body of Jesus were begotten by the Father—the spirit having been begotten in heaven many ages before the tabernacle was begotten upon the earth.

 

 

“The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father; we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully. It would have been unlawful for any man to have interfered with Mary, who was already espoused to Joseph; for such a heinous crime would have subjected both the guilty parties to death, according to the law of Moses. But God having created all men and women, had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and pleasure: He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for His own conduct. It was also lawful in Him, after having thus dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in the mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.

 

 

“As God the Father begat the fleshly body of Jesus, so He, before the world began, begat his spirit. As the body required an earthly Mother, so his spirit required a heavenly Mother. As God associated in the capacity of a husband with the earthly mother, so likewise he associated in the same capacity with the heavenly one; earthly things being in the likeness of heavenly things; and that which is temporal being in the likeness of that which is eternal; or, in other words, the laws of generation upon the earth are after the order of the laws of generation in heaven” (The Seer, pp. 158-9; cf. B. H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith and the Saints, vol 2, p. 270)

 

“We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as His Only Begotten in this world.” (The Seer, pp. 172-3)

[Colofornian]

What you mormons are doing is attempting to co-opt the Christmas season by overwhelming it with worship of Joseph Smith. [Guyin4Os]

You are wrong Guyin40s; Jesus Christ is my Savior and my Church celebrates His birth, life and resurrection. Jesus Christ is the center of everything in our lives. Please do not say such horrible things about my Church - in the Spirit of the Christmas season. [Saundra Duffy]

Here is yet another example of a Christmas season Mormon churched-owned article (DesNews -- published 12/22/08) co-opting Christ's birth...just posted!: 'Praise to the Man' honors Joseph Smith [Mormon Merry Smithmas!]

In this article, instead of focusing on how knowing Jesus = eternal life (John 17:3), it cites right off the bat how "millions" need to "know Joseph"...a lyric from the "Praise to the Man" praise hymn to Smith...

The article also cites a reference: "He gave us everything."

Was this reference about Jesus Christ? Nope! Wrong! Mormons usurp Jesus Christ in claiming Joseph Smith "gave us everything." And the Mormon church-owned DesNews journalist thought that was such a great quote they made sure it was highlighted during the '08 Christmas season...three days before the celebration of Christ's birth!

[Elsie]

Jesus Christ is the center of everything in our lives.

Oh???

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Saundra Duffy]

2011 Christmas message from President Uchtorf of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:

http://lds.org/broadcasts/watch/christmas-devotional/2011/12?lang=eng&vid=1309722330001&pkey=AQ~~,AAABJMwIxCk~,V-s4Hivdj0tPNypCoK3-U7EDiMwrZ90Q&pid=1302760218001

Merry Christmas!

[ejonesie22]

She doesn't have a clue what the LDS teach. Like many captured Christians they allow them to keep their old beliefs since they can be made to “fit” within the LDS mantra.

As long as that 10% and free labor is a coming, all is good.

[ejonesie22]

It really chaps me when charlatans use my saviors name for personal benefit.

“Profit” indeed...

[ejonesie22]

BTW Merry Smithmas...

[Saundra Duffy]

“She doesn’t have a clue what the LDS teach.”

That’s funny. It is so interesting that you guys THINK you know what I believe. If you want to know what I believe go to:

www.lds.org
www.mormon.org

Merry Christmas!

[ejonesie22]

BTW Merry Smithmas...

[Saundra Duffy]

“It really chaps me when charlatans use my saviors name for personal benefit.”

Ditto times ten. Anti Mormons sell books, tapes, DVD’s, make speeches, sell seminars, teach workshops, preach, and collect big bucks for doing all of these things.

Meanwhile, there are no paid clergy in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and no passing of the plate.

Merry Christmas!

[ejonesie22]

You demonstrate your lack of knowledge of LDS doctrine here constantly. Information taken from those VERY SOURCES sends you round the bend.

That or you are one of their very clever smooth operators.

Nah, seen your posts, that ain't it.

You blithely ignore the very facts in front of you from your own “doctrine” and mix in what you knew when your were a Christian, which is common for the captured Christians in the LDS.

Meanwhile you support a “Church” that denigrates my savior, the Real Christ and expect it to be overlooked.

Good luck with that.

Maybe there are a few gullible folk still out there in North American who are not fully knowledgeable of the LDS and buy the victim act. Get ‘em while you can, the information age is catching up with ole Joe's boys...

[ejonesie22]

You are correct for once, you guys don't pass the plate.

You bill directly and have to report it to get to go to big Church.

In Christians Churches even those who can't afford tithes get to go to all services, there are no “special ones” in the house of the Real Christ.

As far as the rest, people telling the truth making money to support their ministries are not Charlatans. And none of us are in on that anyways.

Keep swinging...

[svcw]

Sandy I actually listened to all 13 minutes and 13 seconds of this “devotional”. At 30 seconds the “prophet” was mentioned. It wasn’t until 8 minutes and 17 second that the name “Christ” was mentioned, then for a few minutes only referred to as Him or He, at 11 minutes and 36 seconds the speaker says Jesus Christ. There was not one Bible versus, no mention of the Christmas story.....sorry kiddo if this is a Christmas devotion it was sorely lacking.

[ejonesie22]

You're kidding....

WOW...

Yeah, that is very “Christian”...

“Merry Smithmas to all and to all pay your tithes so you can be worthy!"

[Colofornian]

No other Christians celebrate His birth, His life, His Atoning Sacrifice more enthusiastically and with more love than we members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Sorry. Mormons wish they could change Christians' Christmas carols according to their own 'unique' substition of Joseph Smith for Jesus.

Just posted as a new thread:

Joseph Smith: a witness of Christ [O Come, O Come EmmanSMITHuel, anyone?]

[Godzilla]

That’s funny. It is so interesting that you guys THINK you know what I believe. If you want to know what I believe go to:

SD, I've gone there and gotten the lds scripture verses that totally repudiate your cotton candy version of mormonism plastered here. You remain consistently silent in the face of that rebuke - except to go and make the same repudiated statements again.