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Russians Flock to See Virgin Mary Relic
MSNBC ^ | 11/23/11 | Mansur Mirovalev

Posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow

Tens of thousands wait for hours in freezing temperatures to kiss belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother

MOSCOW — Braving freezing cold temperatures and ice-covered sidewalks, tens of thousands of Russians stood in line Wednesday to see and kiss a newly arrived relic of the Virgin Mary in Russia's largest Orthodox cathedral.

The Virgin Mary's Cincture, a belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother, was brought to Russia last month from Mount Athos, a monastic community in Greece.

Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.

The line of people, mostly women, waiting to enter the golden-domed Christ the Savior Cathedral stretched for 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) along the Moscow River despite temperatures that dropped to below minus 5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit).

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To: Celtic Cross
>>Catholic priests choose to take the vows. Nobody forces them to.<<

It still makes them ineligible to hold the office of Bishop or any other leadership postion in the church.

1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

241 posted on 11/26/2011 11:03:48 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
That doesn't mean he has to have a wife! It just means if he does, then he can't be a gat-about-town. Likewise, if he has children then he has to control them and raise them properly.

Neither a wife or children is a prerequisite.

242 posted on 11/26/2011 11:04:02 AM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: narses; metmom; smvoice; Iscool; boatbums
Read the scripture nares ...Mercy I have to wonder if all catholics can not read scripture or just the FR ones ...

This is a letter written to the jewish church in exile not to the elders... so the one and other is the people of the church .. read the words.. IT DOES NOT SAY CONFESS TO THE ELDERS..

Mercy!!!

Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working.

This is about confessing our sins to the ones we have sinned against for reconciliation and mutual forgiveness..

243 posted on 11/26/2011 11:04:37 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Celtic Cross
Catholic priests choose to take the vows. Nobody forces them to.

They don't know any better - it's the result of their catholic upbringing and the RCC teachings which DECEIVES many.
244 posted on 11/26/2011 11:04:48 AM PST by presently no screen name ( “If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job. “)
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To: narses
As you wish--at your service:

=================================================

Below are the examples
of exalting other deities.
They are real.
They are serious.
They are owned,
operated in,
manifested in,
heart-felt wallowed in
by millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
Pretending otherwise does not change the facts.
White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak
doesn't change the facts.
Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words
doesn't change the facts.
.
.
.

the FACTS are easy enough to see below
for anyone with
more discernment than a gnat's.
.
.
.

Those reading this with any consciousness above comotose
no longer have any excuse.
.
.
.
Holy Spirit will be nudging, urging, forsaking of all such
--ALL HINT OF SUCH--
IGNORING HIS LEADING, NUDGING, URGING
in such matters can be spiritually deadly.
Very spiritually deadly.
.
.
.

ONCE AGAIN,
just a small part of
THE EVIDENCE: .
.
.

Here's the title:

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Meditations-Mysteries-Rosary-Ferraro/dp/0819801577/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272938246&sr=1-2

And it carries the official sanctions of:

ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.

WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR

Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .

Here they are:

However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.

p.32
.
[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .

p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence

p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"

p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]

p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
.
[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]

p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
.
[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]

5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
.
[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]

p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"

p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

245 posted on 11/26/2011 11:05:22 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear

The accepted meaning is not that every bishop should have a wife (for St. Paul himself had none), but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once. At least accepted by almost ALL of the Apostolic Succession in an unbroken line over 2,000 years starting with Saints Peter and Paul through today.

That odd little cults over the years reject the clear teachings of the Apostles and of Our Lord makes no meaning to those who hold true to His One Holy and Apostolic Church.


246 posted on 11/26/2011 11:07:08 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: presently no screen name

Oh, I see! Its a conspiracy!


247 posted on 11/26/2011 11:07:18 AM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Celtic Cross
>>That doesn't mean he has to have a wife!<<

Yeah right. That’s why in verse five we see this.

1 Timothy 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Have any of your church leadership shown that they know how to rule over his own house before he is allowed to become part of the church leadership?

248 posted on 11/26/2011 11:09:29 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses; CynicalBear
“I am the Elder.” ROTFLMAO!

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned".
249 posted on 11/26/2011 11:09:36 AM PST by presently no screen name ( “If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job. “)
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To: narses; CynicalBear
ROTFLMAO!

Not as funny as trying to rewrite the scriptures and make elders into priests

250 posted on 11/26/2011 11:11:47 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: narses

You can just as well give up on that 2000 year stuff. The queen of heaven cult stuff is a whole lot older than that and so is using idols in worship. Both are condemned by God as abominations.


251 posted on 11/26/2011 11:13:00 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice
Bad analogy.

"And these signs SHALL follow THEM THAT BELIEVE; In my name SHALL they cast out devils; they SHALL speak with new tongues; (verse 17) they SHALL take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it SHALL NOT hurt them; they SHALL lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL recover." (verse 18).

You mean absolutely every one in the group. It means as a group not that everyone in the group will do as such. Also the ones that do -Ever hear of Catholic saints of note.

252 posted on 11/26/2011 11:14:44 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: RnMomof7

Not as funny as trying to rewrite the scriptures and make elders into priests


INDEED.

As well as a long list of other mangled horrors from their Rubberized ‘Bible.’


253 posted on 11/26/2011 11:14:44 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


254 posted on 11/26/2011 11:15:27 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

255 posted on 11/26/2011 11:15:31 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: Celtic Cross

However it suits you.

You need to open your eyes if you think evil/deception is a thing of the past. Those who don’t know any better have been deceived. 1 Tim 1 - clearly states it comes from doctrines of demons. It’s your choice to believe God’s Word or not - God says choose LIFE.


256 posted on 11/26/2011 11:15:54 AM PST by presently no screen name ( “If it’s not in God’s Word - don’t pass it off as truth! That’s satan’s job. “)
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To: CynicalBear
Also condemned are the traditions of men.

Men like:

Martin Luther

Jean Calvin (Thats his first name right?)

John Welsey

Nicholas Ridley

257 posted on 11/26/2011 11:16:04 AM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Celtic Cross; CynicalBear
Sampson was Nazarene. They took vows of abstinence. God seemed pretty pleased with Sampson until he fudged up on the haircut.

Do Catholics know the difference between the Old and New testament?

BTW the rule of abstinence has nothing to do with holiness or dedication..it has to do (as do all things Roman) with the wealth of the Roman church ...until priests started to leave 'church property " to their kids..Rome thought that marriage was ok...

258 posted on 11/26/2011 11:16:58 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Celtic Cross
>> Also condemned are the traditions of men.<<

I couldn’t agree more.

259 posted on 11/26/2011 11:17:58 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7
So, protestants just dumped the entire old testament? No longer applies? Not allowed to cite it anymore?

Alright then...

260 posted on 11/26/2011 11:19:03 AM PST by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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