LOL! Spot on!
Posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow
Tens of thousands wait for hours in freezing temperatures to kiss belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother
MOSCOW — Braving freezing cold temperatures and ice-covered sidewalks, tens of thousands of Russians stood in line Wednesday to see and kiss a newly arrived relic of the Virgin Mary in Russia's largest Orthodox cathedral.
The Virgin Mary's Cincture, a belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother, was brought to Russia last month from Mount Athos, a monastic community in Greece.
Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.
The line of people, mostly women, waiting to enter the golden-domed Christ the Savior Cathedral stretched for 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) along the Moscow River despite temperatures that dropped to below minus 5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit).
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You cannot have it both ways.Why? What makes you an expert? You refuse to identify which silly sect teaches you these odd ideas, you brag that you are NOT an expert and yet you proclaim these odd dogmas. What makes you so special?
Either it’s grace or it’s works.Again, why? What makes you an expert?
Let us see what over 2,000 years of study by the Apostles and their hand picked successors says, shall we?
GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION
The first work of the grace of the Holy Spirit is conversion, effecting justification in accordance with Jesus' proclamation at the beginning of the Gospel: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."You might find much of the lies many believe about what the Church teaches refuted there - by the Church Herself!Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high.
"Justification is not only the remission of sins, but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man.
Lots of superstition permeates Catholicism.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
There are many reasons people are there. Fundamentally these are the underpinnings. Mary represents the ultimate service to God the Father and God the Son. Which these people showing up are honoring as well as seeking strength to carry through as well.
Whatever happened to depending on Jesus?
Philippians 4:11-13 11Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. 12I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need.13I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
I think anyone who participates on these threads should be willing to defend their views, don’t you?But you do not. You make sweeping statements buttressed by cut-n-paste quotations that may or may not support whatever anti-Catholic screed of the day you believe. You try to claim the "authority" to pronounce dogmatically and then refuse any support for that authority save cut-n-paste. Sad.
I asked, “So you never, ever have “fits of rage” or any of the others listed sins? Never?”
You posted broad, unresponsive statements and cut-n-pastes. Why not a simple answer? Try YES or NO.
When Jesus says it I believe it.
I'm spiritual.
You're religious.
He's superstitious.
metmom says: “Lots of superstition permeates Catholicism.”
Your odd apparent antipathy to the True and Universal Church has you posting odd things like the above. Since this thread is about a RUSSIAN ORTHODOX event, why? Perhaps spiritual blindness? Try prayer, it helps. Here, let me suggest one for you:
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
Actually, Scripture does contain all we need for salvation.
John 20:30-31 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Actually, all we need to know to believe is what's written in John's gospel.
Please post the Scripture(s) that identifies anyone (other than Jesus) as a biological son or daughter of Mary.
I'll save you some time. You can't. It doesn't exist.
If you're going to complain about other people's allegedly "unbiblical" beliefs, you lay yourself open to the charge of hypocrisy if you yourself seek to bind other people to beliefs that are not taught in Scripture.
Please don't bear false witness against the Orthodox. They do not "worship" Mary, only the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Anyone alleging otherwise is bearing false witness and judging the faith of their brother.
Such statements bear false witness against the Orthodox Christians.
Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
>> You might find much of the lies many believe about what the Church teaches refuted there - by the Church Herself!<<
LOL I really don’t care what the RCC teaches. I see what the Catholics who rely on the RCC think it teaches. When the RCC teaches something that is clearly condemned by scripture one need no longer wonder if they are in error.
No Catholics involved in the article; this concerns a relic of the Greek Orthodox church making a visit to Russian Orthodox believers. You did read it, right?
Most of the monks on Mt. Athos, where the relic came from, seem to think the Pope is the antichrist. At least, that's what some of them said when he visited Greece a couple of years ago. Doesn't sound very "Catholic" to me. Sounds a lot like the Westminster Confession.
LOL! Spot on!
I really don’t care what the RCC teaches."YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"
"The first commandment embraces faith, hope, and charity. When we say 'God' we confess a constant, unchangeable being, always the same, faithful and just, without any evil. It follows that we must necessarily accept his words and have complete faith in him and acknowledge his authority. He is almighty, merciful, and infinitely beneficent. Who could not place all hope in him? Who could not love him when contemplating the treasures of goodness and love he has poured out on us? Hence the formula God employs in the Scripture at the beginning and end of his commandments: 'I am the LORD.'Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
But is it the complete record of everything in Jesus' life? Your post clearly states otherwise.
There is so much hatred for the Roman Catholics in these posts. Could someone with the Love of Christ within them write such things?
“Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.”
Superstition.
Considering for a minute that it does not specify water baptism......
Mark 16:14-18 14Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.
Do you also adhere to the rest of the teaching that Jesus gave in this passage?
Do you cast out demons?
Do you really believe that if you drink any deadly thing, it will not harm you? Do you actually do it?
Do you really believe that you can handle snakes? Do you do it?
Do you speak in tongues? Jesus said it would be a sign following those who believe
Do you lay your hands on the sick and see them recover?
Jesus said those signs WILL ACCOMPANY those who believe. Does that mean if you don't do those signs, you don't really believe? Or do you only pick what part of the passage you want to believe and practice and ignore the rest?
FWIW, I also see many in the Pentecostal movement fall into a similar error, picking what to believe out of that passage about the signs and denying the baptism part.
Either way, it's inconsistent and hypocritical to cherry pick apart a passage and based a doctrine on one part of it and not take it all as truth.
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