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To: rzman21; smvoice; metmom; boatbums; caww; HossB86; RnMomof7
>> Show me the exact verse where it explicitly says scripture interprets scripture.<<

Believe nothing unless it agrees with scripture. Even if one part of scripture doesn’t agree with another part of scripture one of those portions or the interpretation of that portion is wrong.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

>> Maybe you should read 2 Peter 3:15-16 next time you speak Ex Cathedra on FR.<<

When have I ever been unstable in my belief of what scripture says? It’s the Catholics who can’t seem to make everything agree with scripture. I’ll use the simple concept of the bodily assumption of Mary as an example. Catholics couldn’t even agree or settle that issue until the 1950s and even then couldn’t reconcile it with scripture. Another would be the paying of indulgences or eating meat on Friday. You talk about unstable it’s the Catholics who are unstable.

1,352 posted on 11/29/2011 3:43:20 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Nice Tu Quoque.


1,359 posted on 11/29/2011 3:50:41 PM PST by rzman21
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To: CynicalBear

It’s the Catholics who can’t seem to make everything agree with scripture. I’ll use the simple concept of the bodily assumption of Mary as an example. Catholics couldn’t even agree or settle that issue until the 1950s and even then couldn’t reconcile it with scripture.

>>The Assumption isn’t a problem for the Orthodox. They believe in it. Frankly, what the Protestants think about it doesn’t really matter.

It fits the definition of universal assent and antiquity.

What matters is that the Theotokos is in heaven, and as Martin Luther wrote, how she got there body and soul is a mystery.

Apocalypse 12:1-18
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and on his heads seven diadems. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days.
7 And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. 8 And they prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth: and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of the testimony: and they loved not their lives unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert, unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth, after the woman, water, as it were a river: that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. 16 And the earth helped the woman: and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 18 And he stood upon the sand of the sea.’’

Another would be the paying of indulgences or eating meat on Friday.
>>Where was buying indulgences ever a dogma? You keep forgetting that the Council of Trent condemned the practice.

Eating meat or not eating meat on Friday is a matter of custom that the Church can establish or dispense with. I might add that it’s still on the books and that Eastern Catholics do more than just that.

We give up meat and dairy products, fast during Advent, Lent, the Dormition fast, etc.

You are just ignorant about Catholicism, period.


1,367 posted on 11/29/2011 3:58:20 PM PST by rzman21
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