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To: RnMomof7
isn't it strange that in 2000 years they NEVER wrote a complete official commentary of the scriptures

That is opposite to how the Church works. At the start, the Apostles verbally handed on the teachings they had received directly from Jesus and from the Paraclete, mostly through councils but perhaps sometimes individually. The Gospels, Acts, and Apocalypse formed the basis of written teaching but most everything else came as a response to problems that required fixing (or heresies that required suppression). The Church can never undefine a teaching she has infallibly defined. Therefore, the Church only defines doctrine when it is absolutely necessary.

1,345 posted on 11/29/2011 3:34:22 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

In the political sphere, some folks seem to demand a legislated (or regulated) solution to every conceivable problem. For the most part, we call such people statists ... or marxists ... or similar.


1,347 posted on 11/29/2011 3:38:00 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RnMomof7

isn’t it strange that in 2000 years they NEVER wrote a complete official commentary of the scriptures
>>Spoken like a true scholastic.

Men are always thinking they can put God in a box.


1,353 posted on 11/29/2011 3:44:36 PM PST by rzman21
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To: mas cerveza por favor
That is opposite to how the Church works.

Exactly... Let me put it this way... IF only the "roman church' can infallibly interpret scripture why would they wish to withhold that truth from its people.. why would they hide it and allow every Catholic theologian,teacher, writer to develop his own fallible teaching.. no different than the protestants??

If the church loved its people, wouldn't it want to open the scriptures to their people so they could read the scriptures infallibly ?

I suspect they have never wanted to put their" infallible "teachings in writing because that might eliminate the future "revelations" by the prophet pope.. that might contradict them ..that would be a rock and hard place..

1,354 posted on 11/29/2011 3:44:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: mas cerveza por favor; smvoice; HossB86; RnMomof7; metmom; boatbums; caww
>> Therefore, the Church only defines doctrine when it is absolutely necessary.<<

ROFL When you don’t have the firm foundation of scripture to stand on I can easily understand the apprehension.

1,364 posted on 11/29/2011 3:55:17 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7
The Church can never undefine a teaching she has infallibly defined. Therefore, the Church only defines doctrine when it is absolutely necessary.

I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you, mas. Consider:

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36 http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

…that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441 (Florentine style), proclaimed “ex cathedra” (infallible).

The Holy Catholic Church teaches that God cannot be adored except within her fold; she affirms that all those who are separated from her will not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great, “Moralia,” XIV:5)

Neither the true Faith nor eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy Catholic Church. It is a SIN to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church. (Ven. Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem, March 17, 1856; cf. also OUR GLORIOUS POPES, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Cambridge, MA: 1955, p.168)

But now,

RCC: 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[335] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:…Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[336]

[This absolves those who are convinced she is not, but have been baptized in Christian faith.]

..there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities…

They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. — LUMEN GENTIUM: 16.

…those who are baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church.” “All who have been justified by Faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ: they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.” — http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

RCC: 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.[337]

Read more at http://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2011/09/contradictions-in-roman-catholicism.html

1,473 posted on 11/29/2011 7:25:32 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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