READ the verse... no sacrifice there ,,,
Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
Yep, and 1 Corinthians 18 is not calling the Lords Supper a sacrifice. It only show that we participate in the forgiveness of sins just as the Israelites did. Listening to the meanings injected by the control freaks in Rome will lead to severe problems.
Well, if he had said, "my flesh is wood indeed, my blood is wood grain indeed" etc.; and, if some of His disciples left complaining "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?" you might have a point.
“closer to the reformers than to rome”
LOL!
ok, let’s put this to the test.
show me one ECF that attacked the doctrine of the Real Presence. the Didache, Ignatius and Justin Martyr all taught this prior to 150ad. show me one ECF who condemned this doctrine and taught that the Eucharist only “represented” the Body of Christ.
or
show me one ECF that attacked the doctrine of baptismal regeneration. just one that taught bpatism was symbolic and that one is regnerated by saying a “sinners prayer”
let’s see what you got.
Some still answer: "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"
Bishop Athansije of the Serbian Orthodox Church has a good scripture-filled explanation of the Divine Liturgy/Mass.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/liturgy-and-spirituality.pdf
1 Corinthians 10, not 18.
the Eucharist is contrasted with pagan sacrifices.
Christians have always believed the Eucharist is the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11.
what do you believe the “pure offering” that is offered among the nations is?
Martin Luther viscerally attacked Ulrich Zwingli for his invention of the notion that Holy Communion was purely symbolic.
http://philofreligion.homestead.com/files/mpaper8.htm
Jesus is the final authority, so we have a major bibliolatry disconnect here.
You appear to think you interpretation of Holy Scripture is the same as God's, but that causes an even bigger disconnect.
Christians are never alone. God is w/them 24/7.
But not Christ's Church apparently. Jesus's prayer for us is a dead letter. You and God and Scripture, that's your idea of Church.
Alone in your church, by yourself. A congregation of one alone. That is my point that you illustrate so well. Thank you.
No...but there might be a pancake on your head.
Hoss
1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
The word communion in greek is koinōnia friendship... we bless it and it is friendship with Christ and HIS sacrifice..
Young's Literal Translation The cup of the blessing that we bless -- is it not the fellowship of the blood of the Christ? the bread that we break -- is it not the fellowship of the body of the Christ? It is not said, "The cup . is the blood," or "the bread . is the body," but "is the communion we have as a community of the blood but "is the communion we have as a community of the blood . body." Also notice the name given to the cup.. not the cup of Jesus blood.. but the cup of BLESSING That was one of the 4 cups of the passover meal during which thanks were offered for the passover miracle.. a miracle that was prophetic of Christ. Also note here is no priest doing the blessings but all those gathered
That's why I'm praying for you -- but you still have that pancake on your head.
Hoss
Actually... no. A Protestant who believes in Dispensationalism will not dispute with someone who is not a Dispensationalist on how one is SAVED -- by faith alone through Christ alone... they may argue about the rapture as to whether or not it's pre-trib, post-trib etc. -- but the issue of saving faith is common.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Hoss
You can dress it up however you wish, but you still have to ignore or denigrate the beliefs of the early Church, the same beliefs that the first Christian martyrs died for.
I, personally, would not want to be on your side of this argument.
That’s just your interpretation.
Nothing like a little Ockham’s razor action. :)
They will disagree, at the very least with those who teach salvation by election.
Where are you on this one? Based on the authority of Sola scriptura of course.
:)
rz, the mental gymnastics are unbelievable.
Is not the bread we break a participation in the Body of Christ?
one word you will never find connected to the Eucharist in the NT is the word “represents”
only when the 16th century so called “reformers” did the “represent” doctrine hit the world scene.
let’s look at another verse:
1 Corinthians 11:27-29
whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. for anyone who eats and drinks WITHOUT DISCERNING THE BODY eats and drinks judgement upon himself.
some still don’t DISCERN THE BODY. how can anybody be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord, if the Lord is not present?
Ohhhh... you mean Occam's Razor. Either works.
Still love that pancake on your head.
Hoss
READ the verse... no sacrifice there ,,,
I'm safe in the arms of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. How about you?
Hoss
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