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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


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To: CynicalBear
It's kind of arrogant to say you speak for God. Don't you think? You don't have a clue about what "pure" Christianity would look like.

I might add that the Old Testament Jews engaged in a lot of pagan practices in the Temple of Solomon before Christ.


1,761 posted on 11/30/2011 7:13:53 PM PST by rzman21
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To: CynicalBear

Arguing with the ignorant is pointless.


1,762 posted on 11/30/2011 7:14:54 PM PST by rzman21
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To: HossB86
http://www.bloggingtheologically.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bible-idol.jpg
1,763 posted on 11/30/2011 7:16:19 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

That graphic is *almost* perfect. Needs a little mirror on one corner...


1,764 posted on 11/30/2011 7:19:30 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: HossB86
Yes!!!!Protestantism is 100 percent fabricated. I trust commentaries that were not tainted by the Protestant-Roman Catholic schism before I'll trust anything from Luther or even St. Thomas Aquinas for that matter. The Church Fathers were far closer to the source than either you or I. I'm saying it height of arrogance to presume your own infallibility in your sectarian understanding of the scriptures that evolved out of the same philosophy that later gave birth to militant atheism and nihilism.
1,765 posted on 11/30/2011 7:20:26 PM PST by rzman21
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To: D-fendr

I turned to the Church Fathers because they were not tainted by the Protestant-Roman Catholic squabble.

My views on theology are far closer to those of the Eastern Orthodox than St. Thomas Aquinas or the scholastics.

What we get on these boards is more eisegesis than textual exegesis.

When I was a Protestant, I had certain presuppositions when it came to understanding the text that preceded my understanding of the verses.

Most of my theological training has been through reading the Greek fathers and the Eastern Orthodox rather than the scholastics.


1,766 posted on 11/30/2011 7:28:25 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
>>It's kind of arrogant to say you speak for God.<<

I don’t, I let scripture speak for God unlike the RCC who is so arrogant as to proclaim that they speak for God over what was written in scripture.

1,767 posted on 11/30/2011 7:33:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: editor-surveyor

St. Irenaeus of Lyons lived in the 2nd century. The Eastern Orthodox Church shares the same interpretation with the Roman Catholic Church and they have been separated for 1000 years.

Have a listen to a good Orthodox audio commentary on the Book of Revelation. It might be refreshing to hear another perspective that is free from Roman Catholic/Protestant sectarian biases.
http://www.saintnicodemos.org/content/apocalypse_audio.php


1,768 posted on 11/30/2011 7:35:57 PM PST by rzman21
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To: CynicalBear

1,769 posted on 11/30/2011 7:37:18 PM PST by rzman21
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To: mas cerveza por favor
>> "They?" You mean Greek Father St. John of Damascus, champion of the Assumption?<<

NO, I mean they the RCC. How preposterous to think the Apostles were present at her death, believed she was assumed bodily into heaven but never wrote a word of it. Not only that but the RCC also claims no one really knows whether she died and then was bodily assumed or whether she was bodily assumed prior to death. What a discombobulated mish mash of theology.

1,770 posted on 11/30/2011 7:37:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I’m sorry but you speak for the Bible.


1,771 posted on 11/30/2011 7:38:27 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
I don’t have time at the moment to go point by point, but the difference between the interpretations and theological approaches between East and West are more matters of terminology and approach.

I'm not asking you to explain why there are differences between you two, only that there are differences and some of those are so serious that reunification has not happened for over a thousand years. To insist that because "Protestants" - and I put that word in quotes because for most of you anyone who isn't Catholic falls into that bucket - have differences in "theological approaches" and "interpretations" means none can be correct about anything is overly dramatic.

While there are many groups that call themselves Christian, not everyone that says "Lord, Lord" shall be saved. There certainly are central tenets of the Christian faith that are enumerated in Scripture and, of course, in traditional beliefs that it would not be difficult at all to separate true believers from false ones. One of the major reasons why so many of us here stress the place of the Bible in knowing truth from fallacy is because the Scriptures are infallible and inerrant coming from God himself. Jesus fought Satan's temptations by repeatedly saying, "It is written", I believe that we were told about that exchange for just that very reason.

1,772 posted on 11/30/2011 7:39:12 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: rzman21

Most of us gave up the picture book way of communicating in pre school but if you still need it who am I to disallow it.


1,773 posted on 11/30/2011 7:39:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: rzman21
>> I’m sorry but you speak for the Bible.<<

Wow! You sure know a lot.

1,774 posted on 11/30/2011 7:40:51 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: mas cerveza por favor; CynicalBear
"They?" You mean Greek Father St. John of Damascus, champion of the Assumption? Why should anyone accept your speculation over his testimony?

Maybe because what was allegedly written by St. John of Damascus could have been nothing more than an opinion piece or outright fiction....

1,775 posted on 11/30/2011 7:42:08 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear

So what. It’s a mystery. Get over it and move on.


1,776 posted on 11/30/2011 7:44:03 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
Most of my theological training has been through reading the Greek fathers and the Eastern Orthodox rather than the scholastics.

Shouldn't your theological training have rather been based on reading the Bible???

Talk about building a house on the sand.

Use the word, the rock. You'll do better.

1,777 posted on 11/30/2011 7:44:24 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: rzman21
>>So what. It’s a mystery. Get over it and move on.<<

Catholics rely on a lot of mysteries don’t they.

1,778 posted on 11/30/2011 7:46:50 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom

Seems there’s a lot of fiction in the foundations of the RCC cult.


1,779 posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:26 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: boatbums
Ephesians 6:13-18 13Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.

16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Psalm 119:9-11 9How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word. 10 With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments! 11I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.

1,780 posted on 11/30/2011 7:50:23 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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