Posted on 11/21/2011 11:50:12 AM PST by Pyro7480
Auxiliary Bishop Says Communion In the Hand is a Calvinist Novelty
Not Even Martin Luther Would Have Done It
In the last century the Old Liberal Bishops promoted hand Communion. They used a historical lie toward this end.
(kreuz.net)Present day Communion in the Hand has no roots in the early Church.
This was stressed by Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider (50) of Astana in Kazakhstan on the 19th on the radio station 'Radio Maria Südtirol'
Msgr Schneider is a Patristic expert.
Hand Communion was contrived "all new" from the Second Vatican Council -- the Auxiliary Bishop firmly said.
The antique Church had practiced a completely different form for the reception of Communion.
In that period the hand in which Communion was received was purified before and after.
Additionally, the faithful would take the Body of the Lord from their hand in a disposition of prayer with his tongue:
"If anything it was more of an oral reception of Communion than in the hand".
After Communion, the communicant had to lick their hands with their tongues, so that even the smallest particle should not be lost.
A Deacon supervised the purification.
The Auxiliary Bishop cotinued: "This concern and care stands in direct opposition to indifference and carelessness with which so called Communion in the hand is dispensed."
Women never held Communion simply on the flat of the hand.
They spread a white cloth, a manner of corporal over their hand.
Then, they would receive Communion directly to their mouth from the linen cloth.
"That is a tremendous contrast to the present form of Communion in the hand" -- insisted Msgr Schneider.
The ancient faithful never took Communion with their fingers: "the gesture of hand Communion was completely unknown in the Church."
The Antique Form of Giving Communion Was Impractical in the Final Analysis
In the course of the centuries the Church developed a form of giving Communion which "surely came from the Holy Ghost".
Msgr Schneider explained that the Eastern Church had already completed this step by the 5th Century, the West somewhat later.
The transition took place worldwide, organically, instinctively and peacefully.
The Auxiliary Bishop reports that Pope Gregory the Great († 604), gave Communion in on the tongue.
French and Spanish Synods of the 8th and 9th Centuries sanctioned against touching the Host with excommunication:
"If a Synod can make such a strict threat, this form will be forbidden in a short time."
Communion in the Hand Comes from the Calvinists
According to the Auxiliary Bishop, communion in the hand comes from the Dutch Calvinists of the 17th Century.
Calvinism denies the real presence of Christ in the Host.
One such communion in the hand wasn't even practiced by the Lutherans:
"The Lutherans have until quite recently, and till today in Scandinavian lands, preserved communion kneeling and on the tongue."
Link to original, kreuznet...
Oh, I think the history of the ancient Passover is as well known as any other ancient practice, if not more so.
Unless one can provide adequate evidence that any ancient Jewish celebratory meal involved a host manually feeding guests, I think we’re on solid ground rejecting such a notion.
I think I may be thinking of multiple sacrifices of lambs....one for the family, one for the nation. Nevertheless, no evidence exists Jesus went around feeding the disciples one by one. :-)
Yes, we can. Unusual events, as the foot washing you noted, were recorded. So accepting the claims of Jesus going about feeding his disciples like a mother bird to her chicks is certainly allowed, but it is lacking in Biblical evidence.
Not the whole story:
There is more to this text than just the above, however. It also goes on to propose the following: “Sanctify your eyes with contact with the Holy Body . . . . When your lips are still wet, touch your hand to your lips, and then pass you hand over your eyes, your forehead and your other senses, to sanctify them.” This rather odd (or even superstitious? Irreverent?) recommendation has caused scholars to question the authenticity of this text. Some think that perhaps there has been an interpolation, or that it is really the saint’s successor who wrote it.It is not impossible that the text is really the work of the Patriarch John, who succeeded Cyril in Jerusalem. But this John was of suspect orthodoxy. This we know from the correspondence of St. Epiphanius, St. Jerome, and St. Augustine. So, in favor of Communion in the hand we have a text of dubious origin and questionable content. And on the other hand, we have reliable witnesses, including two great popes, that placing the Sacred Host in the mouth of the communicant was already common and unremarkable in at last the fifth century.>/blockquote>
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Which scholars have questioned it? I’m simply curious...particularly since receiving in the hand took place commonly until somewhere around the 10th century.
And....again.... I suggest that our focus really should not be on whether or not one receives in the hand versus the mouth....but rather on HOW to receive the King of Kings with utter adoration and love.
;-)
Wow!!! ;)
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Actually, no. You have noticed such? Where? When?
>>Israelis and Arabs do — not all the time, but in circumstances of hospitality or friendship. (Ethiopians do too, I hear, at shared meals if there’s affection present.) <<
Another winner!!!!
Some fringe Catholic groups.
The 9/11 truthers of Catholicism.
The MSM pulls out every nut and says “These are Conservatives!” or “These are Republicans”. The Usual Suspects on FR pull out these groups the same way.
This Bishop is correct...now if the rest would just follow...
Communion on the tongue for me. And if you don’t believe me read the book, “Get Us Out of Here” by Maria Simma.
As good as a play, right?
How do you know.
I have seen renditions of the Last Supper with all the apostles kneeling and Christ giving them the bread on their tongue.
How do you really know?
Ahem...
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So you will be very surprised when you find out that Christ actually did give them communion on the tongue, right?
The concern for the form of communion does not discount the importance of its reason. In fact, I would hold that it is just the opposite. Consider you are a slave about to meet your king. Before being brought into his presence, wouldn’t the reason demand your attention to the form? The greater your love for your king, the greater your desire to come into his presence in a way that reflects that love. No detail seems unimportant when you consider his majesty. Hence, I think, the bishops point on Calvin (or perhaps better Zwingli).
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I forgot about that one - thanks!
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