The king of the bibles

The Telegraph ^ | November 14, 2011 | Peter Mullen

[hiho hiho]

For centuries, people of all walks of life have carried around with them echoes of the King James Version. So to throw it out as the church hierarchy has done amounts to a savage act of deprivation and, as this deprivation is of the Word of God in English, it is vicious iconoclasm. Sidelining the King James Version especially deprives our children and is therefore a notable case of child abuse.

There is no such thing as noble truth expressed in ignoble words. The choice of words determines what is being said. Therefore, we should choose the best.

“Strips of cloth” is no substitute for “swaddling clothes”. And Mary was “with child” – we think of the Madonna and Child – and she had not “fallen pregnant” as it says in one of the modern versions. You cannot satisfactorily replace “through a glass darkly” with the crass literalism “puzzling reflections in a mirror” or “sounding brass and tinkling cymbal” with “noisy gong and clanging cymbal”. The King James Bible was designed to be read aloud in churches. All the modern versions sound as if they have been written by tone-deaf people with tin ears and no rhythm.

[Salvation]

The KJV is suppressed?

Who would know? It's not the complete Bible!!!!!!

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

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"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

[Mr. Lucky]

You don't suppose that the editors of one of Great Britain's great newspapers are familiar with the provenance of the King James translation?

[Salvation]

Evidently they have never heard that the ORIGINAL Bible was translated in Latin and all the English translation should adhere to the Latin.

Boy, would that be a change! LOL!

[Salvation]

**If the King James Version was good enough for the Apostle Paul**

Huh?

Paul read in Latin and Greek — not English!

[MHGinTN]

Actually the ‘original’ Bible, the Torah, was translated into Greek. Later, when the New Testament was combined with the Torah by Christians, the texts were translated into Latin. That did mkae for a few interesting ‘transpositions’ too.

[ColdSteelTalon]

The King James Bible is the only Bible I use. Its the only one I trust.

[ColdSteelTalon]

Lets keep in mind the Catholic church resisted attempts to put the Bible in the common man’s hands.

[Salvation]

They never resisited that. Bibles in the ancient days were copied (tediously) by hand and were very rare.

What was the first Bible printed by the Guttenberg printing press?

Do you know the answer? Or do you not care?

[Salvation]

Surprise! The first Bible printed by Gutenberg was the CATHOLIC Bible! LOL!

Relationship to earlier Bibles

In appearance the Gutenberg Bible closely resembles the large manuscript

Illuminated manuscript

An illuminated manuscript is a manuscript in which the text is supplemented by the addition of decoration, such as decorated initials, borders and miniature illustrations...

 Bibles that were being produced at the time. The Giant Bible of Mainz

Giant Bible of Mainz

The Giant Bible of Mainz is a very large manuscript Bible produced in 1452-3, probably in Mainz or nearby. It is notable for its beauty, for being one of the last manuscript Bibles written before the invention of printing in the West, and for its possible connections with the Gutenberg...

, probably produced in Mainz in 1452-3, has been suggested as the particular model Gutenberg used. Around this time large Bibles, designed to be read from a lectern, were returning to popularity for the first time since the twelfth century. In the intervening period, small hand-held Bibles had been usual. The text of the Gutenberg Bible is traditional, falling within the Paris Vulgate group of texts. Manuscript Bibles all had texts that differed slightly, and the copy used by Gutenberg as the exemplar for his Bible has not been discovered.

 

Influence on later Bibles

The Gutenberg Bible had an incalculable effect on the history of the printed book. Textually, it also had an influence on future editions of the Bible. It provided the model for the 36 Line Bible, while a Strasbourg edition of the Bible from 1470 is known to have been set from the copy now in Cambridge University Library. The Gutenberg Bible also had an influence on the Clementine

Pope Clement VIII

Pope Clement VIII , born Ippolito Aldobrandini, was Pope from 30 January 1592 to 3 March 1605.-Cardinal:...

 edition of the Vulgate commissioned by the Papacy in the late sixteenth century.

[Salvation]

But it is incomplete — how can you trust it?

[Salvation]

Thanks for the correction — I knew I should not have said original, but rather have said “Latin” translation.

[Blue Collar Christian]

I was given, as a gift, a quad Bible that has KJV, NIV, ASB, and Amplified. It has been quite helpful in my studies.

I have to agree about the beauty of the king’s 16th Century English. Ever heard anything sweeter than the KJV 23rd Psalm?
Didn’t think so.

[circlecity]

"What was the first Bible printed by the Guttenberg printing press?"

Given that at the time it was a capital offense to possess or distribute any other translation than the Latin Vulgate - punishable by burning at the stake - my guess is the first bible printed by the Gutenberg press was the Latin Vulgate.

[tommix2]

the chapters and verses were set 300 years before the KJV Bible was translated by an English Catholic Archbishop, Stephen Langton.

Thank you

[Salvation]

You get the prize for the correct answer!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2809733/posts?page=49#49

[imardmd1]

'TrinitarianBibleSociety’ is an oxymoron. there is no Trinity in the Bible.

Ah, have you read Isaiah 48:16,17 in your inspired, inerrant, verbal, plenary, preserved Scriptures?

"Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord GOD, and His Spirit, hath sent me.

Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teaches thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go." (from the AV, though not inspired, yet a faithful translation into English from the Masoretic text)

In Torah, at the very Beginning (Genesis - Bereshith) the Three Persons, as declaimed to Isaiah, are thus present in their self-assigned capacities of creation, organization, and supervision.

Furthermore, are you not similarly a triunity of flesh, heart, and spirit, made after the image of the Uniplural Elohim, as described in His Written Word by Moshiah from the very First chapter?

Are not each of the created elements manifested in solid, liquid, and gaseous phases of the same substance, capable of being together concurrently and transitioning back and forth between each of the phases without losing character?

Hunh? Eh?

[Salvation]

**there is no Trinity in the Bible.**

Oh, but there is.

Read the last chapter of Matthew, “Go ye therefore, to all the nations, baptizing the in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

And then re-read 1 Peter, for he also references Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Salvation]

For your information from 1 Peter Chapter 1

 

1 Peter, Chapter 1

 

3^* Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in his great mercy gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,^c

 

12

It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you with regard to the things that have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you [through] the holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels longed to look.

[imardmd1]

Over 85% of the KJV is taken verbatim from John Tyndale’s translation.

William, I believe? Tyndale was not able to finish the translation of the Old Testament inasmuch as he lost the ability to breathe.

[circlecity]

"William, I believe?"

Yes, of course William. What an embarrassing brain fade that was.