Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Breaking Bad Liturgical Habits (Catholic Caucus)
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 4, 2011 | George WEIGEL

Posted on 11/05/2011 11:56:52 AM PDT by NYer

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-31 next last
George Weigel’s column is distributed by the Denver Catholic Register, the official newspaper of the Archdiocese of Denver.
1 posted on 11/05/2011 11:56:53 AM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/05/2011 11:57:32 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I thought this was going to be a thread about Heisenberg....


3 posted on 11/05/2011 12:14:40 PM PDT by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Donkey Odious

IMO, the “sign of peace” should be eliminated completely. This “sixties Kumbya” moment is what turned Mass into a social event. Combine this elimination with kneeling at the altar rail for Communion and perhaps people will realize that Mass is something different and will stop talking. Reverance and solemnity are sorely missing from today’s Mass. It has always been my contention that attendance at Mass has dropped because, as the Church modified it and tried to make it “current”, it took away the uniqueness and mystery. Its not supposed to be “current”.

And Amen to the point about the celebrant saying “Good Morning” and then the congregation replying in their best third grade tone “Good Morning Father”. I used to say to my sons, sarcastically, “That’s not in the Missal”. They used to tell me to lighten up. I obviously haven’t.


4 posted on 11/05/2011 12:40:33 PM PDT by cumbo78
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cumbo78
None of this is as off-putting as our visiting priest's giddy announcement during Mass that he is thrilled to be one of the few married priests. I was so disconcerted that during Mass I pulled out my iphone and googled "married Catholic priests". Turns out you can have a bunch of minor children (he has 8) and a wife and, if you are ordained by the Episcopal church, you can become a Catholic priest. Lucky us!! I couldn't even receive Communion, I was so upset. It wasn't even so much that he's married with family distractions, but he gloated about it and purposely disrupted Mass with his announcement because he thought it was funny. At the end of Mass this poser explained the glories of John Paul for kindly opening the priesthood to men of other ordinations.

The mostholyfamily website was right. The last six popes are anti-popes and are part of the apostasy that is destroying the Catholic church.

I'm just sayin'. : ]

5 posted on 11/05/2011 12:48:46 PM PDT by LoveUSA (You don't notice the night light until it gets dark.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Donkey Odious

Jesus just trolled me too. I also came looking for Hisenburg.

(ps nothing wrong with that. the Lord works in mysterious ways.)


6 posted on 11/05/2011 12:53:46 PM PDT by Ueriah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cumbo78

Sign of Peace(shaking hands) is a faux social event. If there is no name exchange(and there isnt’) then I dont do it. I’m the oddball bowing with hands clasped. Its get even more awkward when someone occasionally walks from a different aisle and wants a a handshake. Unless they are a black Catholic(exceedingly rare) its not happening.

Additionally, I prefer communion on the hand, and shaking some adults hand whose kids or them either has or is getting over the flu is not my idea of what I do before I eat or touch my hands to my facial area. Cold and flu exposure in the name of ‘community’(hand shaking) should not be part of the liturgy before receiving communion. I much prefer to receive in the hand, I will suck it up though if and when the church changes it to everyone will receive on the tongue. But living in a big metropolitan area this is a disease spreader too, as everyone directly breathes on the priests hand. As St. Jerome in his time said ‘avoid like the plague’. ...Sorry to have bothered you.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 1:29:10 PM PDT by RBIEL2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

You are aware that Eastern Catholics have always had married Priests? There is nothing wrong with it. Now violating the sanctity of the mass is another thing entirely!


8 posted on 11/05/2011 1:34:23 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

You are aware that Eastern Catholics have always had married Priests? There is nothing wrong with it. Now violating the sanctity of the mass is another thing entirely!


9 posted on 11/05/2011 1:34:33 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

>>I couldn’t even receive Communion, I was so upset<<

I’m sorry but I really am glad to take these men into the Priesthood. You do understand that widowers can join the Priesthood and that Eastern Rite has married Priests as well, right?


10 posted on 11/05/2011 1:34:49 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: cumbo78

The Sign of Peace is completely optional for each priest. Talk to your priest about not interrupting the concentration on the Eucharist that should be going on at that time.


11 posted on 11/05/2011 1:38:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Comment #12 Removed by Moderator

To: NYer

Is this it?
Where is the Handholding? How about the Orans position of the laity? How about all responses by the duet in the front without letting the congregation answer at all? Or Using “God” instead of “Father” to avoid gender? How about the Game Show music that stands in for the responses? How about needing to use “Jesus” like we’re on a first name basis (i.e. Jesus, Lamb of God you take away the sins of the world)? And while we’re at it, how about we ditch singing ANY showtunes. NONE allowed!!!


13 posted on 11/05/2011 1:40:19 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom
How about the Game Show music that stands in for the responses?

Wow ... where is this happening? Perhaps it is time to repost an old favorite.

Is Your Mass Valid? Liturgical Abuse

14 posted on 11/05/2011 1:51:22 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

I’m with you. No one will learn all the words of the Gloria because we are relegated to singing the chorus.

It’s time for the laity to say no to all the hoopla going on up on the altar. Singers belong in the back of the church where they can distract us as little as possible. I ask them to labor anonymously for the love of God!

And the petitions are getting to be a liberal litany! Enough!


15 posted on 11/05/2011 2:30:21 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: NYer

>>Wow ... where is this happening? Perhaps it is time to repost an old favorite.<<

I wish I could post that on the door of every parish in MI.


16 posted on 11/05/2011 2:30:36 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Melian

One VERY liberal parish in my area has a duet. The laity basically sit and listen to the concert going on.

My other bugaboos are, using the piano when there is an organ AND the “raising up” of the cantor because it is assumed that the congregation is too stupid to know when to sing.

Get the musicians to the back where they belong and let’s pay attention to The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity instead.


17 posted on 11/05/2011 2:38:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861

However, a married priest cannot be named as a Bishop.


18 posted on 11/05/2011 2:40:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

I’d like to see that source on the last Popes. I really can’t believe it.

Our Archdiocese has had several married priests. In fact, one was ordained last year — grown children and wife were also in attendance.

For what it’s worth — one of our married priests died while at a Convocation of Priests. All the priest grieved his death. No partiality was shown at all.


19 posted on 11/05/2011 2:44:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: LoveUSA

PS. I think it would have been the gloating that would turn me off too.


20 posted on 11/05/2011 2:44:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-31 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson