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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; metmom; Judith Anne; smvoice; boatbums; RnMomof7; dartuser; ...
2. where anyone was told that baptism is an outward declaration of already completed work of the Holy Spirit in believers heart?

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Jesus told the woman that she had been saved before she was baptized. We have no indication that in fact she was ever baptized.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

3. where anyone is told to say a “sinners prayer” to receive remission of sins?

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

4. anywhere in Scriptures that we are told we are placed “in Christ” by any other means than baptism?

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

5. where Paul received remission of his sins by saying a sinners prayer and not by being baptized?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Ephesians 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

6. where the Scriptures say baptism does not save us?

Ephesians 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

7. where the Jews Peter preached to in Acts 2 received remission of their sins by something other than being baptized?

Can the Holy Spirit fall on anyone not forgiven?

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

These people were not baptized until after the Holy Spirit had descended on them. It was then that Peter asked the question indicating that they had already received the Holy Spirit just the same as the Apostles had.

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

It was then that they were baptized but only after having received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

8. anywhere the Scriptures talk of “water baptism” and “spirit baptism”, as opposed to “baptism”

There was obviously a distinct diference.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 11: Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

316 posted on 11/06/2011 12:05:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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kudos to CB for effort, results are another matter.
let’s see how he did:

1. not even tried, everyone knows no one was ever told to be baptized for “obedience” reasons. anyone claiming this has no clue what baptism is. ( i don’t care what baptist seminary they have a degree from )
2. not only doesn’t romans 6:5 not say baptism is an outward sign of the work completed by the Holy Spirit already, just two verses earlier in romans 6:3, Paul tells us those anyone BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus is BAPTIZED into his death.
so baptism is not an outward sign of something that has happened already.
3. the verses provided are not of anyone being told to say a sinners prayer for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38 and 22:16 clearly teach BAPTISM is for the remission of sins, not a “sinners prayer”
what did Luke mean in Acts 2:21 to call on the name of the Lord? see Acts 22:16 for the answer.
4. philippians 3:8 does not say we are placed “in Christ” by faith. Paul is clear in romans and galatians that we are BAPTIZED into Christ. in philippians, it is righteousness based on faith, not faith placing us in Christ.
5. acts 22:16 tells us how Paul received remission of his sins, “rise and be BAPTIZED and wash away your sins, calling on his name”
6. 1 Peter specifically says BAPTISM now saves you. of course we are saved by grace, how do we receive the grace of God? the Scriptures are clear, thru BAPTISM.
7. Acts 2:38 is clear about what the people had to do: repent and be BAPTIZED for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10 is very interesting. it says the Holy Spirit fell on them as Peter spoke. it does not say the people accepted Christ as Savior and then were baptized by the Holy Spirit. clearly the Holy Spirit falling on them did not mean they were saved, it was merely to show Peter salvation was for the Gentiles as well as the Jews. once Peter realized they accepted His message concerning Jesus and who He was, he ordered they be BAPTIZED.
8. again no scriptures are provided where the Bible says “water baptism” or “spirit baptism”. no, the Bible only calls the sacrament, “baptism”.
why? because there are not seperate “water” and “spirit” baptisms, no as Paul tells us in Ephesians, there is only ONE BAPTISM.

in summary, we can see from the Scriptures that what the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church has taught about bpatism has been true for 2,000 years.


321 posted on 11/06/2011 3:15:27 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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