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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ..
let’s apply the Scriptures to these questions, if MM’s statement is true, the answers to my questions should be easily provided.

Suddenly everybody is the Bible literalist.

Now is has to be explicitly written in Scripture in Vatican approved wording in order to be believed by RCs? Whatever happened to there are many things not written down that tradition teaches us and since the Bible doesn't explicitly deny it, we can preusme it's so?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite?show=0&t=1320569404

hypocrite: 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Oh, lookie here. People got baptized with water and the Holy Spirit at separate times; IOW water baptism did not cause Holy Spirit baptism.

Mark 1:7-9 7And [John the Baptist] preached, saying, "After me comes he who is mightier than I, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8 I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Acts 1:4-6 4And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me; 5for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 19 1And it happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the inland country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. 2And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." 3And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John’s baptism." 4And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus." 5On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. 7There were about twelve men in all.

295 posted on 11/06/2011 1:01:27 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne; boatbums; smvoice; RnMomof7; dartuser

Fail #2

maybe that was too many questions all at ounce, let’s see if i can get an answer to just number 1 to start:

where in the Scriptures was anyone told to be baptized as an act of obedience? i don’t need 3 or 4 instances, get someone provide just one time?

apparently Jesus was concerned whether we would be “obedient” or not, so He set up “water baptism” as a test of that obedience, do i have that right?


302 posted on 11/06/2011 5:13:26 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom

Baptism was normatively concomitant with regeneration in Scripture, as it can be the time when one confessed Jesus is Lord out of the justifying faith, baptism being a sinners prayer in body language. But the most explicit text which shows regeneration occurring before baptism is Acts 10:43-47:

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?”

cf. Acts 15:7-9:

“And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”


312 posted on 11/06/2011 10:27:15 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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