The Errors of Martin Luther's German Bible

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[one Lord one faith one baptism]

no, no, no, a thousand times no.

the Scriptures are clear, Jesus was crucified the day before a sabbath.
if He died on wednesday, thursday has to be a “high” sabbath and friday would be the day the sabbath past mentioned in mark 16:1.

this is logic.

[boatbums]

Okay, after this last post, I’m DONE arguing with you. Believe whatever you want. It’s no skin off my nose and we will all know when we meet the Lord.

Fridays are always the “Preparation Day” for the Saturday regular Sabbath. Since there were strict rules for what one could or couldn’t do on the Sabbath, the day before was used to prepare such as food, since cooking wasn’t allowed on the Sabbath as well as travel past a certain distance. Wednesday was the preparation day for the special sabbath on Thursday so then Friday would have been the preparation day for Saturday’s normal sabbath.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

what this post says is Jesus died on wednesday, thursday was not a sabbath, friday was a high sabbath and saturday was a sabbath.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

so you admit friday was the day the sabbath past in Mark.

i would think more respect would be shown the Scriptures and the Church.

[boatbums]

absolutely false. normally the body is annointed BEFORE burial. this was not possible in Jesus’s case because they had to bury Jesus quickly due to the Sabbath day starting.

The body WAS anointed before burial. John 19:39-40

He (Joseph of Arimathea) was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.

[Natural Law]

"Now consider this...

How many times should we consider that you need to be informed that the Mass is NOT the primary venue for Catholics to read Scripture? The liturgy of the Mass is a WORSHIP service, something I don't think you are familiar with.

[rzman21]

I’m not a Roman Catholic, but the texts of the Byzantine rite are filled with scripture or scriptural allusions.

The Mass or Divine Liturgy itself alluded to Christ’s completion of the Jewish temple sacrifices on the Cross because you aren’t just there at Mass. You are participating in the paschal banquet found in the Book of Revelation and are mystically present at Calvary all in one.

It’s all rooted in scriptures.

[rzman21]

So you are saying that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church only to be rediscovered 16 centuries later by Teutonic white Europeans because every Christian who lived before them was too stupid to understand the Bible?

I’d say this is the height of arrogance. Maybe the progressives are right then that we get smarter as the years go by and that everything that came before becomes outdated.

Protestantism=Liberalism

[rzman21]

From Liberalism Is a Sin http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/libissin.htm#chap2 CHAPTER 2 - What Is Liberalism? Protestantism naturally begets toleration of error. Rejecting the principle of authority in religion, it has neither criterion nor definition of faith. On the principle that every individual or sect may interpret the deposit of Revelation according to the dictates of private judgment, it gives birth to endless differences and contradictions. Impelled by the law of its own impotence, through lack of any decisive voice of authority in matters of faith, it is forced to recognize as valid and orthodox any belief that springs from the exercise of private judgment. Therefore does it finally arrive, by force of its own premises, at the conclusion that one creed is as good as another; it then seeks to shelter its inconsistency under the false plea of liberty of conscience. Belief is not imposed by a legitimately and divinely constituted authority, but springs directly and freely from the unrestricted exercise of the individual's reason or caprice upon the subject matter of Revelation. The individual or sect interprets as it pleases--rejecting or accepting what it chooses. This is popularly called liberty of conscience. Accepting this principle, Infidelity, on the same plea, rejects all Revelation, and Protestantism, which handed over the premise, is powerless to protest against the conclusion; for it is clear that one who, under the plea of rational liberty, has the right to repudiate any part of Revelation that may displease him, cannot logically quarrel with one who, on the same ground, repudiates the whole. If one creed is as good as another, on the plea of rational liberty, on the same plea, no creed is as good as any. Taking the field with this fatal weapon of Rationalism, Infidelity has stormed and taken the very citadel of Protestantism, helpless against the foe of its own making.

Such is the source of liberalism in the order of ideas; such, in consequence of our Protestant and infidel surroundings, is the intellectual atmosphere which we are perpetually breathing into our souls. Nor do these principles remain simply in the speculative order, poised forever in the region of thought. Men are not mere contemplatives.

Doctrines and beliefs inevitably precipitate themselves into action. The speculation of today becomes the deed of tomorrow, for men, by force of the law of their nature, are ever acting out what they think. Rationalism, therefore, takes concrete shape in the order of facts. It finds palpable expression and action in the press, in legislation, and in social life. The secular press reeks with it, proclaiming with almost unanimous vociferation, absolute division between public life and religion. It has become the shibboleth of journalism, and the editor who will not recognize it in his daily screed soon feels the dagger of popular disapproval. In secularized marriage and in our divorce laws, it cleaves the very roots of domestic society; in secularized education, the cardinal principle of our public school system, it propagates itself in the hearts of the future citizens and the future parents; in compulsory school laws, it forces in the entering wedge of socialism; in the speech and intercourse of social life, it is constantly asserting itself with growing reiteration; in secret societies, organized in a spirit destructive of religion and often for the express purpose of exterminating Catholicity, it menaces our institutions and places the country in the hands of conspirators, whose methods and designs, beyond the reach of the public eye, constitute a tyranny of darkness. In a thousand ways does the principle of Rationalism find its action and expression in social and civil life, and however diversified be its manifestation, there is in it always a unity and a system of opposition to Catholicity. Whether concerted or not, it ever acts in the same direction, and whatever special school within the genus of Liberalism professes it or puts it into action--be it in society, in domestic life, or in politics--the same essential characteristics will be found in all its protean shapes--opposition to the Church--and it will ever be found stigmatizing the most ardent defenders of the Faith as reactionaries, clericals, Ultramontanes [See Ch. 19], etc. Wherever found, whatever its uniform, Liberalism in its practical action is ever a systematic warfare upon the Church. Whether it intrigue, whether it legislate, whether it orate or assassinate, whether it call itself Liberty or Government or the State or Humanity or Reason, or whatnot, its fundamental characteristic is an uncompromising opposition to the Church.
The principle ramifies in many directions, striking root into our domestic, civil, and political life, whose vigor and health depend upon the nourishing and sustaining power of religion. For religion is the bond which unites us to God, the Source and End of all good; and Infidelity, whether virtual, as in Protestantism, or explicit, as in Agnosticism, severs the bond which binds men to God and seeks to build human society on the foundations of man's absolute independence.

[boatbums]

So you are saying that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church only to be rediscovered 16 centuries later by Teutonic white Europeans because every Christian who lived before them was too stupid to understand the Bible? I’d say this is the height of arrogance. Maybe the progressives are right then that we get smarter as the years go by and that everything that came before becomes outdated. Protestantism=Liberalism

How did you conclude that from what I posted in #414? Natural Law contested that early church worship services contained Bible reading and preaching, I posted a link that showed Justin Martyr's description of just exactly that happening in those services. Who's being "arrogant" here? Actually, it sure looks like modern Protestant services are much closer to those of the early Christian church. I don't think "stupid" is the correct term, more like "deceived".

[boatbums]

Tsk, tsk, blaming Protestants for Roman Catholics voting in majorities for Liberals and Democrats.

[cva66snipe]

what this post says is Jesus died on wednesday, thursday was not a sabbath, friday was a high sabbath and saturday was a sabbath. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

It might IF the one preparing for High Sabbath on Friday. I think the persons to be clean would have had to have been free of touching the dead till sundown the following day meaning them leaving the tomb before sundown Wednesday evening thus making them clean Thursday at sundown and legally by the laws clean for Friday. If Christ died on Wednesday they would have left the tomb before sundown Wednesday to give 24 hours for purification. I seem to recall a law about touuching the dead related to one being clean.

That time frame would be three complete days and nights. Legally His tomb would be approachable Saturday at sundown but under the circumstance of fear they likely would wait till at least first light.

[Cronos]

you are correct

[cva66snipe]

Numbers Chapter 19. Anyone touching a dead body is unclean for 7 days. The Romans not the Jews would have likely carried Christ to the tomb. The Jews would not have touched Him for ceremonial cleanliness reasons. But no burial preps requiring touching such as spices and shroud would have likely been done by the Jews till after The Sabbath.

[cva66snipe]

The Romans not the Jews would have likely carried Christ to the tomb. The Jews would not have touched Him for ceremonial cleanliness reasons. But no burial preps requiring touching such as spices and shroud would have likely been done by the Jews till after The Sabbath.

Nope that can't be right either because Joesph of Armenia {a Jew} carried Him and wrapped him. He would be by law unclean until fulfilling requirements. Joseph would but not anyone else except any who helped carry him. So the Roman soldiers were ordered to stay at the tomb three days. The Romans would have stayed three full days.

[Alex Murphy]

How many times should we consider that you need to be informed that the Mass is NOT the primary venue for Catholics to read Scripture?

Seventy times seven....

According to a study released in September by Baylor University’s Institute for Studies of Religion, evangelical Protestants are a whopping eight times more likely than Catholics to read the Bible on a weekly basis. Of course, the survey only looked at private Bible reading; it did not take into account the Scripture passages Catholics take in at every Mass. Still, we tip our hats to our separated brothers and sisters in Christ for their zeal for the Word of God.
-- from the National Catholic Register article Get Cracking, Catholics!
November 19-25, 2006 Issue

The Church should combat widespread "Biblical illiteracy" among the Catholic faithful, Archbishop Eterovic said.
-- from the thread Synod to Focus on Proper Use of Scripture

...while fewer believers know much about the Bible, one-third of Americans continue to believe that it is literally true, something organizers of the Synod on the Word of God called a dangerous form of fundamentalism that is “winning more and more adherents…even among Catholics.” Such literalism, the synod’s preparatory document said, “demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research”....
....The flip side of this embarrassment is the presumption among many Catholics that they “get” the Bible at Mass, along with everything else they need for their spiritual lives. The postconciliar revolution in liturgy greatly expanded the readings, with a three-year cycle in the vernacular that for the first time included Old Testament passages. Given that exposure, many think they do not need anything else. As Mr. McMahon put it, “The majority still say you go to Mass, you get your ticket punched, and that’s it for the week.”
-- from the thread A Literate Church: The state of Catholic Bible study today

[fortheDeclaration]

Yes, the Jewish sabbath was from sundown to sunrise.

So, Christ was crucified on a Wed and was put in the grave sometime after 6pm and rose some time after 6pm Sat, which would be the first day of the week (Jewish time)

[smvoice]

Whatever you do, don’t attempt to explain it to oLofob. You’ll be pecked near death with posts of protest. :)

[Iscool]

then read Mark 16:9 that says Jesus rose on the first day of the week.

That would have been 6-8 o'clock Saturday early evening...He certainly wouldn't have risen at sunrise...He would have been sure to avoid the pagan sun-god worship at sunrise...

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

matthew 27:62 says Jesus died on the day of preparation, so again it makes no sense.

matthew 28:1 says the sabbath day was the seventh day dabbath since the next day was the first day of the week.

the Scriptures are clear and consistent, Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday.

this whole “wednesday” false teaching is just another attempt to attack the Catholic Church and connect Easter with paganism.

the historical, orthodox, biblical Faith is proven correct again.

Jesus is the “first fruits”!!!