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1 posted on 10/30/2011 11:29:07 AM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 10/30/2011 11:30:22 AM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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Thanks.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 11:34:37 AM PDT by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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If there is a purgatory, it’s here on earth and we are living it.


4 posted on 10/30/2011 11:37:02 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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Purgatory isn’t needed in Jesus promise of salvation through his grace alone. It is however, critical if an earthly royal leader needs a way to control people while they are still alive. This is why the Roman church invented it. Jesus way has nothing to do with 3 to 5 in afterlife prison before getting into heaven.


5 posted on 10/30/2011 11:43:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Pray for Jerry L. Walls
to seek YHvH in His WORD.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

7 posted on 10/30/2011 11:49:17 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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According to Christian theology, the options were heaven, purgatory, or hell.

Incorrect. Jesus did not teach of Purgatory, nor did the Apostles or the early church father. In fact, a couple hundred years passed before a pope moved the teaching of the Catholic church away from scripture and incorporated the pagan concept into scripture. Thus it is NOT Christian theology, it is Catholic theology.

8 posted on 10/30/2011 11:51:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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All those words and never once to scripture? Pitiable if not pathetic.


9 posted on 10/30/2011 11:53:27 AM PDT by gusopol3
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Thankfully, Hebrews 10:10 eliminates the need for purgatory.

Either Christ’s sacrifice “once for all” is sufficient or it is not.

Bless your day.


12 posted on 10/30/2011 12:08:26 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Barack suffers from ADD -- "Additional Deficit Disorder".)
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“As Nobile observed, this remark implied Diana was in purgatory.”

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Nobile doesn’t know what he is talking about — no one but God knows the condition that Diana’s soul was in. Everything else is but idle speculation.


16 posted on 10/30/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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Sigh.....................will they ever learn?

Many are called but few are chosen.

So many Protestants are going to be surprised at the moment of their death when they find Christ sending them to Purgatory. Actually that’s good news, because eventually they will enter heaven after being purified for all that they did not make amends for on earth.


17 posted on 10/30/2011 12:16:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

The concept of purgatory indicates a debt that needs to be paid. Christ paid that debt. For someone to assume that guilt is to step away from the grace of God.

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

God imputes righteousness without works.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

We obtain that righteousness while here on earth, not after we die.

Jesus was made sin for us.

2 Corinthians 5: 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Why would anyone reject what Jesus did for us and try to do it themselves when we are told that’s impossible? We know that we already have righteousness through faith.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So it’s impossible to please God without faith, and faith already gives us the righteousness that is required by Him why would anyone reject God’s freely given righteousness to once again return to the law of works which we know doesn’t even please Him?

On the cross Jesus last words were “it is finished”.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

In the Greek, the phrase, “it is finished”, is written as one word – “tetelestai”. In english that means “paid in full”. By claiming that people go to purgatory to either pay for their sins or have someone else pay for them they are calling Jesus a liar.

“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ” (Romans 8:1)

Psalm 103:12 as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

Even Catholic agree that if we accept Christ we are “in Christ”. If we are then in Christ and are told that there “is no condemnation for those who are in Christ” and our sins are removed “as far as the east is from he west”, what are we judged on? 1 Corinthians 3:15 is talking about the fact that since we are no longer condemned we will not stand before Christ in judgment of sin but rather in judgment of our service to Him for our rewards

If we are justified by faith we will not only escape damnation but in Hebrews we are told that God will not even remember our sins.

Hebrews 10:17 Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.

We are also told in Hebrews that once we accept Jesus sacrifice there is no more offering for sin. Not on this earth and not in some place called purgatory.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

No purgatory.

22 posted on 10/30/2011 12:51:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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If we’re gonna keep purgatory, why don’t we keep “indulgences,” too? How much do I have to “pay” for my sins?


37 posted on 10/30/2011 2:17:29 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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According to Christian Catholic theology, the options were heaven, purgatory, or hell.

There. Fixed it. Only Catholics believe in the non-existent purgatory.
39 posted on 10/30/2011 3:10:40 PM PDT by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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Oooooooo doggy. That them is a lot of words for something so simple.

The correct and simple answer is that God does not look upon our righteousness. Our characters are not perfect either now or when we pass on. We are ushered into the Kingdom (not purgatory) based upon the perfection and righteousness of Christ. God the Father sees Christ-not us. We receive a new body (a resurrected body) based upon Christ's work which God has promised.

Any other doctrine is nothing more than work based and blasphamy to the holy work of Christ and the sanctification process of the Holy Spirit. It should be noted this last part is the "unforgivable" sin.

42 posted on 10/30/2011 5:51:00 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Speaking as a sinner and a Protestant by heritage, I’d always hoped that there was a purgatory, being as it was about the best that I could ever hope for.


46 posted on 10/30/2011 7:24:54 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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” According to Christian theology, the options were heaven, purgatory, or hell.”

According to Catholic theology, the options were heaven, purgatory, or hell. Christians can’t find any Purgatory in The Word Of God.


56 posted on 10/31/2011 7:35:34 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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I suspect she is in Purgatory, but Mother Teresa probably got God to give her a "get to heaven fast" pass.

Princess Diana was given Catholic last rites by a priest in the French hospital before she died.

To me, this is a sign that she was seeking God and he was granting her the grace of final repentance.

As for her “sinful” lifestyle: Her sexual peccadilloes never “harmed” anyone, but her charities helped many.

How much of her seeking love in other men's arms were from Charles having a longstanding girlfriend, and finding he never loved her but only married her only to have children?

66 posted on 10/31/2011 4:21:15 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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