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To: MHGinTN

Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood. Any attempt to represent that sentence as truly descriptive of LDS doctrine - past or present - is either deliberately or ignorantly false.

People can disagree, but let’s have at least some intellectual honesty here.


63 posted on 10/29/2011 9:24:11 AM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: JustTheTruth

... the LDS church’s doctrine which is that salvation...


64 posted on 10/29/2011 9:25:33 AM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: JustTheTruth

You are seeking to float your deceptions even in that post, so I doubt you even know what honesty is. 1859 is near the founding of your new religion. Your peepstone sexual predator of married women made many assertions in his teaching which established your new anti-Christian religion, so the quotes from the early ‘church’ are as valid a those made by the late Hinckley. Would like a few of those exposed also?


67 posted on 10/29/2011 9:31:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: JustTheTruth

So an apostle, a prophet of the LDS who spoke directly with the gods was lying or were the gods wrong?

Or is a prophet just not what it used to be....


75 posted on 10/29/2011 10:24:09 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JustTheTruth; MHGinTN
Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood.. . . .
People can disagree, but let’s have at least some intellectual honesty here.

Indeed, time for some honesty JTT. Mormon salvation/atonement means ONLY that a person now will be resurrected and given a body.

Anything further - such as progression to 'godhood'- requires a life where you have purged all sin away and remain sinless as well as perform/follow numerous laws and ordinances.

Any less from a mormon is intellectually dishonest.

77 posted on 10/29/2011 10:58:57 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: JustTheTruth
Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood.

Ummm, Ok...

Gonna post the QUOTE in context and tell us what it REALLY means instead of what it SAYS?

113 posted on 10/29/2011 7:42:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JustTheTruth
Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood.

You are, of course, correct.

A PRESIDENT of the LDS corporation has TOLD us (students at BYU) all about SALVATION!!




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

114 posted on 10/29/2011 7:44:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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