Mormons worship a different jesus

Perhaps JTTT feels excused to deceive ... that mormonISM taqqiya at work again. Deceivers like JTTT, SD, and Rip seek to trick the reader into believing thigs about MomronISM that are untrue, as if deceiving readers by giving only a stilted, partial explanation (depending of course on the difference in how they define things like atonement) in order to deceive. Maybe these deceivers actually believe they’re not liars because they didn’t go into details, but they’re still lying by purposed, calculated omission while knowing they are practicing to deceive with their word weaving.

101 posted on 10/29/2011 2:56:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)

they’re still lying by purposed, calculated omission while knowing they are practicing to deceive with their word weaving.

Yep!

102 posted on 10/29/2011 3:06:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)

Why tell the whole truth when a misdirection will preserve the PR campaign.

103 posted on 10/29/2011 3:12:07 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)

Hinckley again: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ("We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.)

NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AND LIVED SO THIS IS A LIE!

104 posted on 10/29/2011 5:38:31 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)

To: guitarplayer1953

NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AND LIVED SO THIS IS A LIE!

Indeed! Smith had no "priesthood" -- no Mormon or Christian baptism @ the time He later (as in MUCH later) claimed to see God...

In what later became the "official" version of this "vision," note Smith NEVER even labels the entities as either "God" or "Jesus"; they remain unnamed:

v. 16
Felt
Saw a pillar of light
v. 17
“the light”
“two Personages” brightness & glory defy all description
a son of the other
v. 18: “the Personages”
v. 19 “the Personage”
v. 20: “the light”

v. 24 “a light” “heard a voice”
v. 25 “a light” "two Personages”

105 posted on 10/29/2011 7:09:35 PM PDT by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)

Feel better? I hope so.

Every time I post more Scripture; an angels gets his wings!

106 posted on 10/29/2011 7:27:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: JustTheTruth

You are free to persist relentlessly in your (fruitless) efforts to attack the Restored Church of Jesus Christ.

THANKS!

That's MIGHTY good of you to allow us to do this!

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

107 posted on 10/29/2011 7:29:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Verbosus; cubreporter

Very well put, cubreporter.

Are you two butting in to complain about others butting in??

108 posted on 10/29/2011 7:30:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Mormons worship a different jesus

Wow. This is something different from you guys. Really getting creative around here since the last time I checked in. lol.

109 posted on 10/29/2011 7:31:48 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Rush likes PerryÂ’s plan and so does Levin. Great plan from Perry. CainBots wonÂ’t like this.)

Read Eusibius if you don’t believe me.

Why would we do that if we didn't believe you to begin with?

Would that not be a bit counter productive?

110 posted on 10/29/2011 7:34:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

My job is only to deliver the message.

And what, exactly, IS this 'message'?

111 posted on 10/29/2011 7:35:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: JustTheTruth

As an unrelated side note, at some point it would be interesting to learn what facts, events, circumstances, individuals or information caused you to become so singularly focused and apparently relentlessly committed to your ongoing attempts to discredit the LDS church through FreeRepublic.com.

Ah...

The CAUCUS Wars!

Where MORMONs tried so VERY hard, on FR, to discredit ANYONE who DARED to disagree with them.

We got fed up and fought back and now are winning the hearts and minds and SOULS of others thru our postings.

Galling; ain't it!!

112 posted on 10/29/2011 7:39:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: JustTheTruth

Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood.

Ummm, Ok...

Gonna post the QUOTE in context and tell us what it REALLY means instead of what it SAYS?

113 posted on 10/29/2011 7:42:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: JustTheTruth

Your 1859 quote is a complete distortion and mis-statement of the LDS’s church doctrine that salvation comes through the atoning sacrifice of Christ which included the shedding of his blood.

You are, of course, correct.

A PRESIDENT of the LDS corporation has TOLD us (students at BYU) all about SALVATION!!

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

114 posted on 10/29/2011 7:44:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: Invincibly Ignorant

Thanks, II.

Always appreciate your presence.

(I'm sure you wish at least the Buffs were doin' better, eh?)

115 posted on 10/29/2011 7:45:34 PM PDT by Colofornian (When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)

To: Saundra Duffy

Yes, my Jesus is different from the author of the article. My Jesus accepts me, loves me, died for me to save me from my sins; my Jesus is my Advocate with the Father; my Jesus is my Savior, He is able to save; He is my Redeemer and Best Friend and I love Him with all my heart.

Please don't ever MURDER someone; because YOUR Jesus has no power to SAVE you then!

116 posted on 10/29/2011 7:46:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Makes ya CRINGE! Don’t it!

Peace and Love; Brother!

117 posted on 10/29/2011 7:48:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

OMGosh, I never looked up the Greek on Gal 5:12,and it says exactly that!!

But how do you know that Greek was translated correctly??

--MormonDude(Uh... wait a minute...)

118 posted on 10/29/2011 7:49:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Elsie, where is that chart of "missionary rules"?

SURELY there is an RM or two in these threads; and I'll bet they'd be MORE than happy to jot down a few lines of them from their little book!

119 posted on 10/29/2011 7:52:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

To: JustTheTruth

LDS doctrine is crystal clear that without the cleansing atonement of Christ, no person can expect to live eternally in the place where God resides.

Then could you intellectually clear up about the OTHER two places where people go in the MORMON pantheon of religious abodes?

120 posted on 10/29/2011 7:57:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

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