[Iscool]

As I, sayuncle and MadDawg have repeated over and over again Catholic belief is that we cannot sanctify ourselves -- we cannot save ourselves

Sanctification is not Salvation...

[Cronos]

go away. We Christians are talking. If your non-Christian cult wants to discuss how many times to bow, go ahead. No one believes folks who sometimes claim to be Baptist, sometimes Catholic, sometimes Gnostic etc. — taqqiya has its failures.