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What the Church means by Purgatory
Fallible Blogma ^ | October 21, 2011

Posted on 10/22/2011 1:21:35 PM PDT by NYer

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To: metmom

Anyone weho had actually READ thr post would have seen that the 700,000 hits were for “paragolic interpretation” and the 7300,000 were for “parable interpretation.

Srs;, go back and read the post.


541 posted on 10/26/2011 9:22:29 PM PDT by Judith Anne (qwerty)
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To: Natural Law

Can’t take them seriously is right.


542 posted on 10/26/2011 9:23:45 PM PDT by Judith Anne (qwerty)
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To: CynicalBear
It’s the faith that saves but the works that proceed from that faith and are a result of the indwelling of the Spirit of God. He was basically saying the works they did proved they had faith.

Please point out to me where I said anything contrary to that.

543 posted on 10/26/2011 9:32:07 PM PDT by Judith Anne (qwerty)
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To: Natural Law; Judith Anne
They have only one rule; Catholics, from Pope to pauper, must not interpret Scripture.

Exactly -- they deny the Apostolic interpretation handed down by Christ and replace it with each and every one of the myriad ones of their own.

544 posted on 10/26/2011 9:32:52 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Judith Anne
Why would I “bother” to tell you anything? You've already made it perfectly clear no matter what I tell you, you won't believe it or be held to it. But just to clarify my previous post, the “rule” of parabolic (just a simple way of speaking about parables) interpretation was just that the parable had a central meaning and that the peripheral objects/people/items were not as important to that central meaning. Other than that, as was stated by others anything in Scripture should be interpreted by other Scripture and the difficult passages shouldn't be used to understand the simpler ones. See...not so many rules after all!
545 posted on 10/26/2011 9:34:51 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums
Thank you so very much for your encouragements, dear sister in Christ!


546 posted on 10/26/2011 9:41:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Judith Anne
"You've already made it perfectly clear no matter what I tell you, you won't believe it or be held to it."

Sounds like someone doesn't like being treated like a Catholic.

547 posted on 10/26/2011 9:44:39 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: Natural Law
I recall you getting fairly judgmental and distraught over the "matter" of the Inquisitions not too long ago based upon faulty data from an historian named Rummel.

Rummel's PhD is in Political Science.

I did not recall getting judgmental or distraught on that thread, so I went back and reread my posts in the sidebar to see if I had (2694, 2697, 2708, 2714, 2780, 2784, 2923, 2926, 2941, 3032, 3046, 3090, 3092, 3157, 3160 and 3264.)

I see no indication that I was either judgmental or distraught in those posts. If you'd care to link me to the ones you had in mind I'll be glad to address them over on that thread.

548 posted on 10/26/2011 9:51:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Natural Law

When they get what they give, when they reap what they sow, they do seem to be outraged. That’s actually very funny, when you think about it.


549 posted on 10/26/2011 10:09:36 PM PDT by Judith Anne (qwerty)
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To: Cronos; Natural Law; Judith Anne; daniel1212
They have only one rule; Catholics, from Pope to pauper, must not interpret Scripture.

Exactly -- they deny the Apostolic interpretation handed down by Christ and replace it with each and every one of the myriad ones of their own.

For I demand, whence it is that we learn that the church cannot err in consigning the canon of scripture? They answer, that it is governed by the Holy Spirit (for so the council of Trent assumes of itself), and therefore cannot err in its judgments and decrees. I confess indeed that, if it be always governed by the Holy Spirit so as that, in every question, the Spirit affords it the light of truth, it cannot err. But whence do we know that it is always so governed? They answer that Christ hath promised this. Be it so. But where, I pray, hath he promised it? Readily, and without delay, they produce many sentences of scripture which they are always wont to have in their mouths, such as these: "I will be with you always, even to the end of the world." Matth. xxviii. 20. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I will be in the midst of you." Matth. xviii. 20." I will send to you the Comforter from the Father." John xv. 26. "Who, when he is come, will lead you into all truth." Johnxvi. 13. I recognise here the most lucid and certain testimonies of scripture. But now from hence it follows not that the authority of scripture depends upon the church; but, contrariwise, that the authority of the church depends on scripture. Surely it is a notable circle in which this argument revolves! They say that they give authority to the scripture and canonical books in respect of us; and yet they confess that all their authority is derived from scripture. For if they rely upon the testimonies and sentences of these books, when they require us to believe in them; then it is plain that these books, which lend them credit, had greater authority in themselves, and were of themselves authentic. (William Whitaker, Disputations on Holy Scripture (Cambridge: Parker Society, 1894; reprint, Orlando: Soli Deo Gloria Publications, 2005), 334-335.)

550 posted on 10/26/2011 10:14:47 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Cronos; Natural Law

Oh, good, you’re awake. Will you now apologize to me for mistating my post of Natural Law’s and the false accusation of being “sneaky”?


551 posted on 10/26/2011 10:25:14 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums

Looks like you just proved cronos’ point.


552 posted on 10/26/2011 10:28:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne (qwerty)
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To: Judith Anne

Looks like you didn’t read it very well.


553 posted on 10/26/2011 10:31:23 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums

Well, why don’t you “rightly divide” it for us all?


554 posted on 10/26/2011 10:46:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Cronos; Judith Anne
"But now from hence it follows not that the authority of scripture depends upon the church; but, contrariwise, that the authority of the church depends on scripture."

St. Thomas Aquinas, in his logical proof for the existence of God, established that everything in creation is contingent upon something that precedes it with the one exception of God. Scripture is no exception. When one traces Scripture backward toward its ultimate source they will find the Episcopacy of the Catholic Church as one of the fundamental contingencies in the chain.

The irony is that to be a Protestant one must simultaneously both accept AND reject the authority of the Catholic Episcopacy that compiled the Canon of the Scripture.

555 posted on 10/26/2011 10:50:47 PM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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To: Natural Law

That right there shows the insanity, the self-contradictory, self-serving twisted logic of the Sola crowd.


556 posted on 10/26/2011 10:55:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: boatbums; Natural Law

Not really — your post is sneaky. Why don’t you explain your buddy’s belief in Limited Atonement, Double Predestination and Covenant Theology first?


557 posted on 10/26/2011 11:02:18 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Natural Law; boatbums
one must simultaneously both accept AND reject the authority of the Catholic Episcopacy that compiled the Canon of the Scripture.

True and Bb's faction also has to justify it's buddy's belief in double-predestination and limited atonement.

558 posted on 10/26/2011 11:04:45 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: RnMomof7; boatbums; Natural Law; Mad Dawg; metmom
Grace is getting WHAT YOU DO NOT DESERVE

Then on what basis does your group believe in Covenant Theology and limited atonement? Perhaps your little cult got it wrong and the Arminians are actually the elect elite?

559 posted on 10/27/2011 12:44:50 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: boatbums; RnMomof7; Natural Law; Mad Dawg
OK, let's see if I understand you. You reprimand me for “mind-reading” - which I wasn't doing,

Whine, whine -- need some cheese with that?

560 posted on 10/27/2011 12:57:31 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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