Posted on 10/19/2011 5:21:41 PM PDT by wmfights
Hearing Mitt Romney’s surrogate Bill Bennett refer to me as a bigot and Jon Huntsman call me a “moron” last week after my controversial comments on Mormonism, amid calls for civility and tolerance in public discourse, reminds me of the exclamation: “We will not tolerate intolerance!” But beyond the personal insults, I am concerned that these men are attempting to prematurely marginalize religion as a relevant topic in elections. Utilizing such incendiary rhetoric against those of us who dare bring up a candidate’s spiritual beliefs cuts off discussion about religion before it begins.
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Nice, we do a lot of that here!
The whole manufactured crisis about a 10 yr old law that only a handful of state legislators voted against is an exercise in trying to fight the results of a policy and not the policy itself. The fed govt has not controlled illegal immigration. When the fed govt starts doing it's job states won't have to deal with a group of people who have no country to call their own.
The Philistines were not sojourners. They were invaders and declared enemies of Israel. Most of the illegal aliens in our midst are not here to kill us, they are here to work.
Was David a hypocrite for going to war against those illegally moving into Israel's
Again it goes to the purpose of the invasion. If, in fact, these people were coming to take over the land rather than live in it, then David was just in going to war against them. FWIW, any foreigner who thinks that America should give back the Western United States to Mexico is no longer a sojourner, but is a vocal enemy of the United States and MUST be deported.
BTW you didn't give me any scripture. Just vague references to some peculiar situation. Give me a scripture that says that Texas should not have passed the Texas Dream Act. Show me how you could possibly utilize "righteous judgment" in calling Rick Perry a thief for signing it into law.
If Abram thought of himself as a stranger in a foreign land, Or are you suggesting that YHvH has commanded all of the The writer of Hebrews conflates Abram and Abraham and Anyone who has read Genesis knows that Abraham was NOT YHvH commanded Abram to go to the land chosen by YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
does that mean we are obligated to support all strangers
in the land that has been given to us ?
Illegal Aliens to occupy the USA ?
the breath of YHvH breathed into both Abram and Sarai,
as a sign of His covenant with them.
called out of the land of Ur of the Chaldees Gen 15:7 And He said to him, "I am YHvH
So I'm not sure of where you are going with the Sojourner
who brought you(Abram) out of Ur of the Chaldeans,
to give you this land to possess it."
Philosophy
Levites, widows and orphans, yes I have yet to see your citation
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
"that tithes are collected to support foreigners"
And that's the point. In the eyes of many, the illegal immigrants are invaders and should be treated as such. I would not agree with that position exactly, but given the numbers of drug-runners and nationalists who still want to claim SoCal and such as Mexico, I can certainly understand those who do.
BTW you didn't give me any scripture. Just vague references to some peculiar situation.
And I didn't have to; you knew exactly what I was referring to the moment you read it. One does not have to cite chapter and verse to use a historical allusion from the Bible to make a point.
But you continue to miss my point. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. All I'm saying is that a person can reasonably and in good faith come to a different conclusion about how the Scriptures apply in this situation than you have, and you need to calm down.
Shalom
Shalom
That verse definitely reinforces your point and it underscores that sojourners are to be treated as native-born. It is one example of how they are to be treated.
Given that it's a tithe that goes to Levites first, it is certainly to be understood in terms of involvement with the Jewish religion and culture. Therefore, for the sojourner to participate would mean an acceptance or comfortableness by the foreigner of the culture and religion of Israel.
In other words, we not dealing with a military invasion, or the presence of a criminal element, but with a person seriously seeking to reside peaceably in the country...and even to fit in.
IOW, cartel members, drug runners, operators of schemes, con artists, fugitives, etc., are not really seen in the picture of the foreigner sharing in the tithe with the Levite. A worker with his family, his kids in school, and his feet in church IS seen in that picture.
If you view it as our obligation to support the invading 249. To separate the tithe for the poor--Deuteronomy 14:28 If you wish to be literal it is done only every three years. I believe that YHvH provided that as a "Travelers Aid" fund,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
not to provide aid to invading and occupying armies.
and occupying enemies of this nation,
then you serve some god other than YHvH.
Thank you for sharing your experience of the transition that has taken place in Texas, Sister.
I believe this vote will be a religious one at root. Romney’s view on life have been radically pro-abortion until he had to try wooing a conservative base. The sad thing about the life issue is that the candidate and even the politician can say just about anything with impunity because the issue is controlled by the courts.
Romney can hide everything about his views and in a few minute’s time nominate an anti-life justice, and he will have done decades of damage to the lives of millions.
The best on life are Perry, Santorum, and BAchmann.
Being governor of Texas has also given Perry some significant international experience. The Mexican situation has been hot, and there are other Central and Carribbean American countries that would necessarily have relationships with Gulf Coast Texas as well.
Perry has many obstacles to overcome. His view of illegals is one.
It appears that his view is a biblical view.
The word foreigner is Hagar or heh gimel rosh It seems to refer to the banished maid servant. LOL !! The Ru'ach HaKodesh has a vivid sense of humor.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
He is totally Pro-life not like the RINOs You seem to omit Cain.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
This line, for example, in a thread on Free Republic says:
No they don't. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.
So, he's saying he's pro-life, but that the government shouldn't put up roadblocks to individual choices on the issue. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2795674/posts
That was Ted Kennedy's position, who said he rejected abortion as a "Catholic" but he believed the law should allow "choice."
IOW, it's the classic, "religious" pro-choice position.
You are quoting National Proletariat Radio ??
It doesn’t matter who reports it, if all you’re doing is transcribing the quote.
Those words were either said or not said.
I can tell from your response that you haven’t seen the quote. Put a piece of it in google and see how many places it shows up.
May YHvH provide you with discernment.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Don’t be silly, Uriel. The issue is whether Cain said it or not.
You’ve never made yourself out to appear irrational. Are you trying to injure messianics with these stunts?
Here is the same quote from the Examiner and a review of it by Pro-Life guru, Rick Santorum.
“I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation,” he said. “The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.”
Campaigning in New Hampshire on Thursday, Santorum accused Cain of misleading voters about his conservative credentials.
“It’s basically the position that just about every pro-choice politician has in America,” Santorum told The Associated Press. “I don’t know too many pro-choice politicians who are for abortion, who want more abortions ... but they say the decision is a choice the government shouldn’t be involved in.”
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/nation/2011/10/santorum-says-cain-misleads-voters-abortion#ixzz1bRN6nxKJ
And for me, this election is most assuredly a religious one. This country has turned away from God by judicial fiat and executive branch policy - Christians must take a stand. The alternative is unacceptable.
Rick Santorum is disingenuous.He claims to be a Christian
when in fact he is Roman Catholic
If you wish to be extremely literal, this commandment is only applicable within the Land of Israel--and arguably, only when the Temple is functioning.
Nevertheless, the principle that the leaders of a country can and should collect and dispurse food/funds to support foreign refugees and travelers has been established. The open question on the table is to what degree the illegal immigrants should be considered invaders (your position) or refugees from a war-torn nation (P-Marlowe's position).
I don't believe that's a black-and-white issue, and I certainly don't think calling names ("Theif!" "Hypocrite!") is the least bit helpful to the conversation.
So again, can we all take a deep breath and approach the issue--and each other!--with a bit more humility and love?
Shalom
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