SHOULD CHRISTIANS ASSENT TO MORMON DEMANDS TO SEE THEM AS CHRISTIANS? [Vanity]

OnlyMormon website ^ | October 18, 2011 | Self

[greyfoxx39]

The Romney campaign  and its surrogates, ( including some on FR) are using the comment of a Christian pastor against Rick Perry and anyone else who mentions mormonism. It was done in '08 against Huckabee.

 The issue of why Christians do not see mormonism as Christian is front and center.

There was a comment posted recently here featuring the mormon hymn "Praise to the Man" (Joseph Smith)  and I recalled that while I was a member of the mormon church   singing hymns many time whose subject was NOT God or Christ  Another in particular lauded the pioneer trek across the plains..."Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel". 

Compare the LDS hymbook with that of any Christian congregation’s hymnbook for an awakening regarding who/what is worshipped in mormon services. We find many laudatory “hymns” for Joseph Smith, Zion, Latter-day Saints, etc...
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Mormonism is “self”-centered...not CHRIST-CENTERED!

HYMNS FROM THE LDS HYMNBOOK

Hymns of Praise & Thanksgiving

• 17. Awake, Ye Saints of God, Awake!
• 18. The Voice of God Again is Heard
• 19. We Thank Thee, O God, for a Prophet
• 20. God of Power, God of Right
• 21. Come, Listen to a Prophet's Voice
• 22. We Listen to a Prophet's Voice
• 23. We Ever Pray for Thee
• 24. God Bless Our Prophet Dear
• 25. Now We'll Sing With One Accord
• 26. Joseph Smith's First Prayer
• 27. Praise to the Man
• 28. Saints, Behold How Great Jehovah
• 29. A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief
• 30. Come, Come, Ye Saints
• 31. O God, Our Help in Ages Past
• 32. The Happy Day at Last Has Come
• 33. Our Mountain Home So Dear
• 34. O Ye Mountains High
• 35. For the Strength of the Hills
• 36. They, the Builders of the Nation
• 37. The Wintry Day, Descending to Its Close
• 38. Come, All Ye Saints of Zion
• 39. O Saints of Zion
• 40. Arise, O Glorious Zion
• 41. Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise
• 42. Hail to the Brightness of Zion's glad Morning!
• 43. Zion Stands with Hills Surrounded
• 44. Beautiful Zion, Built Above
• 45. Lead Me Into Life Eternal
• 46. Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken
• 47. We Will Sing of Zion
• 48. Glorious Things Are Sung of Zion
• 49. Adam-ondi-Ahman
• 50. Come, Though Glorious Day of Promise
• 51. Sons of Michael, He Approaches
• 52. The Day Dawn is Breaking
• 53. Let Earth's Inhabitants Rejoice
• 54. Behold, the Mountain of the Lord
• 55. Lo, the Mighty God Appearing!
• 56. Softly Beams the Sacred Dawning
• 57. We're Not Ashamed to Own Our Lord
• 58. Come, Ye Children of the Lord
• 59. Come, O Thou King of Kings
• 60. Battle Hymn of the Republic
• 61. Raise Your Voice to the Lord
• 62. All Creatures of Our God and King
• 63. Great King of Heaven
• 64. On This Day of Joy and Gladness
• 65. Come, All ye Saints Who Dwell on Earth
• 66. Rejoice, the Lord Is King!
• 67. Glory to God on High
• 68. A Mighty Fortress Is Our God
• 69. All Glory, Laud, and Honor
• 70. Sing Praise to Him
• 71. With Songs of Praise
• 72. Praise to the Lord, the Almighty
• 73. Praise the Lord with Heart and Voice
• 74. Praise Ye the Lord
• 75. In Hymns of Praise
• 76. God of Our Fathers, We Come unto Thee
• 77. Great Is the Lord
• 78. God of Our Fathers, Whose Almighty Hand
• 79. With All the Power of Heart and Tongue
• 80. God of Our Fathers, Known of Old
• 81. Press Forward, Saints
• 82. For All the Saints
• 83. Guide Us, O Thou Great Jehovah
• 84. Faith of Our Fathers
• 85. How Firm a Foundation
• 86. How Great Thou Art
• 87. God Is Love
• 88. Great God, Attend While Zion Sings
• 89. The Lord is My Light
• 90. From All That Dwell below the Skies
• 91. Father, Thy Children to Thee Now Raise
• 92. For the Beauty of the Earth
• 93. Prayer of Thanksgiving
• 94. Come, Ye Thankful People
• 95. Now Thank We All Our God
• 96. Dearest Children, God is Near You

Hymns for Men

• 319. Ye Elders of Israel
• 320. The Priesthood of Our Lord
• 321. Ye Who Are Called to Labor
• 322. Come, All Ye Sons of God
• 323. Rise Up, O Men of God (KENILWORTH)
• 324. Rise Up, O Men of God (FESTAL SONG)
• 325. See The Mighty Priesthood Gathered
• 326. Come, Come, Ye Saints
• 327. Go, Ye Messengers of Heaven
• 328. An Angel From on High
• 329. Thy Servants Are Prepared
• 330. See, The Mighty Angel Flying
• 331. Oh Say, What Is Truth?
• 332. Come, O Thou Kings of Kings
• 333. High on the Mountain Top
• 334. I Need Thee Every Hour
• 335. Brightly Beams Our Father's Mercy
• 336. School Thy Feelings
• 337. O Home Beloved

[starlifter]

Are you a Christian?

[Lurker]

Thank you my friend. It’s good to see you’re on the mend.

[metmom]

Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Mormons preach a Jesus who is half-brother of Satan. That is NOT the Jesus of the NT. They are preaching another gospel and another Jesus.

They can name what they worship Jesus, but it is not putting their faith in the right one, the God Incarnate who died for the sins of the world as presented in the NT.

You can't just make up any old Jesus you want and expect Him to save you.

So, NO. I will not ever assent to calling anyone who doesn't worship the Jesus of the NT a *Christian*.

[colorcountry]

Jeff, think about this:

I am a member of Christian Bowhunters. Utah being an outdoorsman State, with lots of bowhunters, archery leagues, hunters and sportmen - you’d think we’d have a strong chapter of Christian Bowhunters. There are three in the State - no not three chapters - there are three Christian Bowhunters. Why do you think that is?

http://www.christianbowhunters.org/membership.htm

[metmom]

That’s good.

[greyfoxx39]

If others "demand" such thing, in my own estimation, they err.

Others DO, with and we agree that it is in error.

[greyfoxx39]

There are a LOT of reasons to vote against Mitt Romney. His Mormonism is not one of them, for me.

The question was regarding mormonism's demand to be called Christian. Mormon leaders and members denigrated Christians and Christianity for more than 150 years as an "abomination" and have now insisted they are Christian.

Why should Christians assent to that demand?

[Retired Greyhound]

Mormons should take their demands and shove them.

I don’t respond well to demands.

[SENTINEL]

"But only One shall Judge, and He is my Savior, Jesus Christ..."

"no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. ...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are"
Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 7
Chapter: 14
Page: 289

When Romney does this we call it flip flopping. Brigham Young said Joseph Smith will judge whether we can see Christ. Who are you to question the teachings of the "Prophet" ?

[Scythian]

Jeff, think about this: I am a member of Christian Bowhunters. Utah being an outdoorsman State, with lots of bowhunters, archery leagues, hunters and sportmen - you’d think we’d have a strong chapter of Christian Bowhunters. There are three in the State - no not three chapters - there are three Christian Bowhunters. Why do you think that is?

Oh, I know, let me guess. Cause' the Mormons shoot the Christians with their crossbows and there just aren't many left? If it weren't for the Christian bagging limit you wouldn't even have the three is my guess.

[Colofornian]

It’s funny that people are so concerned with whether Mitt Romney is a Christian, that they seem to forget that he is not a Conservative.

Actually, that works hand-in-hand. It's because Romney is a Mormon leader in a spiritual line full of waffling social & theological flip-floppers that Romney is such a socio-political waffling flip-flopper!

I mean what if we had such a waffling "Evangelical" flip-flopper candidate on social issues?

(a) Evangelicals were over 1/3rd of ALL VOTERS who cast ballots in 2010!
(b) In this scenario, would Evangelicals turn around & vote for such a waffling flip-flopper on social issues by a margin of 94-6 % -- as Mormons did for Romney in '08 in the states of Utah & Nevada (& probably elsewhere)?

By all means, I 100% support the right of Mormon voters to take religion into consideration in their voting choices. (We do live in a Free Republic, after all)

But...
(a)...don't do this two-step, two-face maneuver -- and then scold others to "keep religion out of politics" -- when Mormon voters show the exact opposite!!!!!
and (b)...don't tell us that Mormons are so "conservative" politically. 'Cause when it came to the '08 choice, they bucked national trends of voters basing votes upon the issues, per the Feb '08 Salt Lake Trib, and based their vote upon "personal qualities" -- Mormon talk for "he's a fellow Mormon."

It showed the nation that Mormon voters put identity politics first. Not conservatism. Not conservative social issues.

Hence, no wonder BYU invited Harry Reid to an all-student, all-staff forum 5 years ago this month! And he was warmly rec'd there!

A CINO (Conservative in Name Only) wouldn't get 94% of the Evangelical vote -- unlike how Romney faired among Mormons.

[Documentation to all of the above available]

[colorcountry]

Something like that. :)

But I think it is because Mormon bowmen don’t want to join the non-denominational Christian group.

And that says it all.....

[Fiji Hill]

Another interesting song in the hymnal is #242, If You Could Hie to Kolob. Kolob is the name of a planet in Mormon writings.

[greyfoxx39]

Yep, I’m a Christian....I see from your posting history you are a mormonism defender.

[greyfoxx39]

you’d think we’d have a strong chapter of Christian Bowhunters. There are three in the State - no not three chapters - there are three Christian Bowhunters.

...excellent point....do you guys have cooties? ;0)

[greyfoxx39]

Another interesting song in the hymnal is #242, If You Could Hie to Kolob.

I just think it's very telling in a comparison with Christian congregation hymnbooks there are so many unChrist/God hymns....and I can't find ANY praise hymns in my several hymnbooks lauding any mortal man.

[SZonian]

Interesting posit cc, one that is spot on.

I know many mormons who will not listen to Christian radio, watch Christian programming on television or read Christian publications/books. Will not, under any circumstance, acknowledge the Cross.

They shop exclusively at mormon bookstores for religious related items/books, watch the BYU channel and subscribe to mormon only magazines.

If, as they claim, they are “Christian”, why the supposed aversion to anything Christian?

Hmmm....

[CommerceComet]

...excellent point....do you guys have cooties? ;0)

Perhaps but first you'll notice that most bowhunters, Christian or otherwise, smell like elk urine. It might be helpful to mask your human smell but it is not popular at most social events.

When cleaning out some hunting supplies, I found a bottle of elk urine with a broken seal which must have been 10-12 years old. It hadn't been stored in refrigeration. Foolishly, I opened it.

[colorcountry]

I usually use the pine or cedar scent, personally.

But seriously, the closest I ever got when stalking big game was when I was nursing babies. I guess the smell of milk is a universal “safe” smell. Catch em off guard, then you go in for the kill!!!

[1malumprohibitum]

Excellent encapsulation of what is really going on. Mormons don’t believe Christians are “Christians.” So their demand for Christians to view/call/accept Mormons as “Christians” is much more than it appears. It is both an insult and a forced affirmation at the same time. It is reminiscent of Islam, it’s disdain for other religions and its insidious means of promoting it’s superiority.