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To: vladimir998; Dutchboy88
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. It does not surprise me that a non-believer like you would accuse Jesus of starting a Roman cult.

I haven't followed this conversation but this statement was rather curious and in need of correction:

1) Our Lord Jesus founded the church-not Catholic Church. I am sure that you would agree that He would not wish to be associated with those who hoard vast amount of wealth in vaults or see his ministers of the gospel living in palaces while preaching the need to erase poverty to the masses. This, my friend, sounds like the Democrats.

2) I'm a bit surprise to see a Catholic admit that our Lord Jesus founded the church and not Peter. Perhaps this was a clerical error or oversight.

3) As far as Dutchboy's salvation is concerned, rarely can we tell if others are saved or not. We can, according to the gospel, look after our own salvation but have no idea of the status of others. Catholics tend to have this exactly backwards (or perhaps sideways). They will tell you that they don't know who is saved except in rare exceptions of those saints they're sure popped up on a Post Toasty or made Aunt Myrtle's warts go away. Catholics will also tell you that if you follow all the various "steps" such as confession, baptism, receiving grace through communion, etc, then you are guarantee (well-maybe) a seat in the kingdom. But, as a footnote, I noted that rarely can you tell if another is saved. I'm sure that you will take great comfort in noting that our friend Dutchboy exhibits all the characteristics of salvation; which is to believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, and confess with your lips that God raised Him from the dead. If the angels of heaven have rejoiced can we do no less?

4) In regards to Jesus starting a Roman cult, the truth of the matter is that God is in complete and utter control of all things. We are a stubborn people who fail God constantly. Cults are raised up by God to help show us the follies of our ways and the error of our doctrine. I would refer you to Leviticus 18-20 where God specifically warns the people of Israel not to sacrifice their children to Molech. Yet by the time they got to Solomon, Solomon built a splendid temple to Molech for that very purpose (1 King 11:7). Solomon couldn't see the errors or simply wished to ignore them even though God had warned him through His scriptures; much to his detriment. We are warned to measure everything against scripture. There is not much difference from the Roman Catholic Church introduction of extra supporting writings then the Book of Mormonism or the Jehovah Witnesses' books. One only hopes that they learn the lesson that Solomon failed to grasp.

162 posted on 10/16/2011 3:07:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

You wrote:

“1) Our Lord Jesus founded the church-not Catholic Church.”

No. The Church Christ founded is the Catholic Church.

“2) I’m a bit surprise to see a Catholic admit that our Lord Jesus founded the church and not Peter. Perhaps this was a clerical error or oversight.”

Nope. And I have never seen otherwise. I have never seen a Catholic say or write that Peter FOUNDED the Church. Catholics often say - correctly - that it was founded on Peter or handed to him so to speak. But I have never seen a Catholic say Peter founded the Church. I have seen Catholics say - correctlt - that Peter founded the Church IN Rome along with Paul.

“3) As far as Dutchboy’s salvation is concerned, rarely can we tell if others are saved or not.”

I said nothing about salvation. You are conflating two entirely different issues - which Protestants are wont to do with those issues.

“There is not much difference from the Roman Catholic Church introduction of extra supporting writings then the Book of Mormonism or the Jehovah Witnesses’ books.”

That’s an incredibly ignorant statement. Joseph Smith invented new books and declared them scriptures. All the Catholic Church did was take scriptures from the Jews and keep them. The Deuterocanonicals were used by Jews. Protestants now often admit this.

http://catholicanalysis.blogspot.com/2003/05/dead-sea-scrolls-and-deuterocanonical.html#!/2003/05/dead-sea-scrolls-and-deuterocanonical.html


168 posted on 10/16/2011 4:51:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Anti-Catholics have to lie. Notice how the anti-Catholic lies?)
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To: HarleyD

Very, very good words, Harley.


173 posted on 10/17/2011 10:44:54 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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