Posted on 09/30/2011 5:54:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
JERUSALEM — Salim Manarious, a retired former school headmaster, believes there will be a sovereign Palestinian state in his lifetime.
“I believe it because I’m a Palestinian,” the 72-year-old Orthodox Christian said Sept. 23, the day Palestinian National Authority President Mahmoud Abbas applied for full membership in the United Nations.
Palestinians currently have observer status at the U.N.
The United Nations Security Council is scheduled to hold preliminary talks today on the Palestinian application. The United States has pledged to veto the proposal if it comes up for a vote in the Security Council. The U.S. has called for a return to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations as a way to resolve the issue.
Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Vatican’s number two State Department official, called Sept. 27 for a two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in remarks delivered in New York, according to Catholic News Agency. He insisted that “if we want peace, courageous decisions have to be made.” Archbishop Mamberti, whose official title is Secretary for Relations with States, encouraged “the realization of the right of Palestinians to have their own independent and sovereign state, and the right of Israelis to guarantee their security.” He also insisted that both states be “provided with internationally recognized borders.”
But Manarious, whose family fled Ramle, a town in what is now Israel, in 1948, isn’t overly optimistic his clan will be able to reclaim their home.
“The house is still there. I’ve visited it twice, but I don’t think I’ll get it back, even though it’s my right,” Manarious said in the shady garden of his home in the Old City of Jerusalem just prior to Abbas’ speech.
Now that the “Palestine” issue is front and center at the U.N., Palestinians, including Christians, are grappling with what a future Palestinian state might mean for them.
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It isn’t working. It’s been 34 years and it will never work. The Palestinians want the Israelis dead. So, here’s an out-of-the-box idea. Buy a huge but largely deserted chunk of Africa. Offer the natives relocation. Then, pay the Palestinians to move. Make it too good an offer not to take. Call it a land swap. Then, move by force the remaining fanatics who are only staying to make Jihad.
Subsidize the whole thing for 10 years with a declining payment each year. It will be expensive. Nobody will like it. But, it will be better than lukewarm war for the rest of eternity.
Freeper dons fireproof suit; hunkers down.
Manarious would find out pretty quickly that being "Palestinian" (a made-up ethnicity) won't count for much for those who are not Muslim there. Perhaps he's thinking that an independent Palestine would be as tolerant as Israel is. Heh heh.
How about this: the Israelis offer a $20K subsidy to any 18 year old Palestinian woman who wants to emigrate to the West. This includes protection from irate relatives upset about her decision, plus a name change for further protection. If enough young women take the offer, the Palestinian issue is solved in a generation.
Do I need a sarcasm tag?
“If enough young women take the offer, the Palestinian issue is solved in a generation.”
Good thinking, but abused women almost never escape. I’d class all Muslim women as at least emotionally abused; certainly indoctrinated*. So there will be few takers. Also, imagine what it would be like as a western man to change your identity and give up your entire past. Now, picture a Muslim woman doing the same. The first would be hard. The second would be impossible; no emotional support.
Also, Muslim women are essentially property. Their role, to which they are adjusted from birth, is to bear 12-15 children minimum. Only the male children actually count and the more children and grandchildren a woman has sired the higher her status in Muslim female culture. I don’t believe you can solve just half the equation.
There are organizations that will help people who want to leave various cultures. They’ve aided Jews who feel oppressed by the observant culture and people who want to escape the technology free Christians who live as they did in the 19th century. It would be interesting to know what their success rate is and how many people they’ve “helped” leave their culture. I can’t believe the number is very high.
* We are all “indoctrinated.” Most of us are happy with what we become because we became what our parents wanted us to become. Whether the indoctrination is good or bad is relative to the culture we live in. I’m not professing moral relativism. I believe that Christian indoctrination has given western culture the most free, richest and safest culture in the history of mankind. I’ve never heard of a Christian praying for his child to die as a martyr.
These people are too stupid to realize an independent Palestine will be an Islamo-Fascist State, and Christians will be wiped out.
Palestinians are nothing but Arabs, plenty of Arab states for them to go to.
I think “Palestinian Christians” should probably be changed to read”Palestinian Dhimmis and Stockholm Syndrome sufferers...”
“Palestinians are nothing but Arabs, plenty of Arab states for them to go to.”
Actually, no. The other Arab states refused to take them and have in some cases shot those who did enter. This policy exists even today. Recently the Lebanese PM made some nasty anti-Palestinian statements deriding them as lower life forms. Palestinians aren’t welcome anywhere except the US and other liberal western nations.
The Arab states wanted to keep the “refuge” issue alive as the camel’s-nose-under-the-tent to eliminate the Israeli state. It is an extreme long range and effective strategy. At the very least it keeps Israel in a constant state of terror.
The unintended consequence of this deliberate policy has been a hyper-alert and well-armed Israel. Because of the constant terror threat Israeli citizens are willing to put up with high taxes and fewer socialist entitlements than they would otherwise grant themselves. Israel could be another Greece by now and the Arabs could have essentially bought the country out from under them, were it not for the constant Palestinians threat.
True. Christians are persecuted by Muslims everywhere else in the Middle East. Why do they think it will be different?
If the Arabs had been interested in a Palestinian state, they would have carved one out in 1948 when they held Gaza and the West Bank.
But they didn’t.
Or dump them into Arab states that don´t want them. Let them hash it out.
They weren’t interested in a Pali state - they were expecting to wipe out Israel on the next go ‘round.
And failed again, of course.
“Or dump them into Arab states that don´t want them. Let them hash it out.”
At least two times, after WW1 and WW2, the US has rounded up and deported millions of Mexicans to provide jobs for returning veterans. The final time this was done was Operation Wet Back in the ‘50’s. Wet Back stopped before being completed because television news came along. News showed hysterical women and children and pleading men. The American public couldn’t put up with it.
Now, let’s move to Syria and say we’ve dumped 10,000 Palestinians on the Syrian border. Syria has previously executed Palestinians. Imagine THAT on the 7:00 PM news. Whoever sent them there would soon be out of office.
The Arab countries are brutal regimes and they don’t want the fanatical Palestinians anymore than anybody else does. People trained from birth to blow themselves up can be re-targeted to the next available target. (Incidentally, this is why libs continue to protest Obama. They’ve been trained to protest and it’s all they can do.)
´Guess we´ve all had it then.
What position is that? Kissing the Koran?
Salim Manarious, a retired former school headmaster... "I believe it because I'm a Palestinian," the 72-year-old Orthodox Christian said Sept. 23, the day [Abu Mazen the terrorist] applied for full membership in the United Nations... Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Vatican's number two State Department official... insisted that "if we want peace, courageous decisions have to be made." ...encouraged "the realization of the right of Palestinians to have their own independent and sovereign state, and the right of Israelis to guarantee their security... provided with internationally recognized borders."
“But Manarious, whose family fled Ramle ...”
From whom were they fleeing?
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