Mary is the vessel chosen by God to give birth to His Son Jesus. She is human and is blessed among humans, but she is not the mother of God. That is ludicrous. Roman Cathoicism is deceived. What miracles did Mary do? None.
Isn't that the definition of mother? And doesn't that also make Him her son also?
So, DonkeyBonker (an admirable and elegant name, to be sure), Nestorius has gained another disciple in this the 21st century. Congratulations to you.
Oh, and by the way, before you jump to any conclusions, I’m not Catholic.
Am fairly new to this site, but my understanding that this is a Catholic thread.
Dear DB. Respectfully, I ask that you read John 1:14 and prayerfully consider what the Incarnation means.
Or the Magnificat prayer of Mary later on in Luke 1
| Luke 1 |
| 26 | In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, |
| 27 | to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. |
| 28 | And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" |
| 29 | But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. |
| 30 | And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. |
| 31 | And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. |
| 32 | He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, |
| 33 | and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end." |
| 34 | And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?" |
| 35 | And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. |
| 36 | And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. |
| 37 | For with God nothing will be impossible." |
| 38 | And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her. |
| 39 | In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, |
| 40 | and she entered the house of Zechari'ah and greeted Elizabeth. |
| 41 | And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit |
| 42 | and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! |
| 43 | And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? |
| 44 | For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. |
| 45 | And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord." |
| 46 | And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, |
| 47 | and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, |
| 48 | for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; |
| 49 | for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. |
| 50 | And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation. |
| 51 | He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, |
| 52 | he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree; |
| 53 | he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away. |
| 54 | He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, |
| 55 | as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever." |
| 56 | And Mary remained with her about three months, and returned to her home. |
| 57 | Now the time came for Elizabeth to be delivered, and she gave birth to a son. |
| 58 | And her neighbors and kinsfolk heard that the Lord had shown great mercy to her, and they rejoiced with her. |
| 59 | And on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they would have named him Zechari'ah after his father, |
| 60 | but his mother said, "Not so; he shall be called John." |
| 61 | And they said to her, "None of your kindred is called by this name." |
| 62 | And they made signs to his father, inquiring what he would have him called. |
| 63 | And he asked for a writing tablet, and wrote, "His name is John." And they all marveled. |
| 64 | And immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue loosed, and he spoke, blessing God. |
| 65 | And fear came on all their neighbors. And all these things were talked about through all the hill country of Judea; |
| 66 | and all who heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, "What then will this child be?" For the hand of the Lord was with him. |
| 67 | And his father Zechari'ah was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying, |
| 68 | "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people, |
| 69 | and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, |
| 70 | as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, |
| 71 | that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; |
| 72 | to perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant, |
| 73 | the oath which he swore to our father Abraham, |
| 74 | to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him without fear, |
| 75 | in holiness and righteousness before him all the days of our life. |
| 76 | And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways, |
| 77 | to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins, |
| 78 | through the tender mercy of our God, when the day shall dawn upon us from on high |
| 79 | to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." |
| 80 | And the child grew and became strong in spirit, and he was in the wilderness till the day of his manifestation to Israel. |
Yea, she’s just a surrogate you know. A human incubator.
This matter was settled hundreds of years ago.
Mary gave birth to a PERSON with two natures - human and divine. By your reasoning, you would divide Our Lord into a human person and a divine person, and that’s contrary to Scripture, for “every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God, and every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world” [1 John 4: 2-3].
1 John 4
On Denying the Incarnation
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.