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Psalms 83 represent the 10 nations against Israel during the Tribulation. Far too many people incorrectly identify the 10 kingdoms in Revelation 17 as the revised Roman empire; but if you study carefully an ancient map of the middle east, you will clearly see that all 10 of these nations surrounding Israel. The old Roman empire DOES NOT surround Israel. Nowhere in scripture does the scriptures say that a european kingdom (even hidden in mystery) say: Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Revelation 17:12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

The 10 kingdoms of Revelation 17 are enumerated in Psalms 83:6-8:

Psalms 83:6: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

Psalms 83:7: Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

Psalms 83:8: Assur also is joined with them

Dwelling in the south, Edom has been the traditional enemy of Israel. Moab is directly across the Salt Sea. The Ishmaelites went on to control the vast region north of Havilah stretching from Shur before Egypt northwest towards Assyria. The Hagarenes inhabit the land east of Gilead. Gebal is north of Edom. Ammon is an enemy east of Jericho. Ammon and Amalek were both inveterate foes of Israel. Philistines are on the mediteranean seaside from Jerusalem (Gaza area), Tyre is on the northern mediteranean seaside. They were both denounced for hostile conduct against Israel. Assur [Assyria] is the destroyer of the northern kingdom of Israel.

It is impossible for any european kingdom to fit the exactitude of location and hatred for traditional Israel throughout the Old Testament period of Israel's enemies. This is not to say that european nations will not be involved under the Satanic control of the Anti-Christ during the Tribulation period, but it excludes european kingdoms from being historically identified as ancient nations and ancient enemies of Israel inside the Old Testament.

The context can be seen enumerated within the first 8 verses. This is a prophetic scenario, not an historical account of a past historical fulfillment.

Psalms 83:1: Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

Psalms 83:2: For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

Psalms 83:3: They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

Psalms 83:4: They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Psalms 83:5: For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

Psalms 83:6: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

Psalms 83:7: Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

Psalms 83:8: Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

1 posted on 09/14/2011 1:02:37 AM PDT by bibletruth
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If you can save us all some in-depth research.....what do those 10 kingdoms translate to on today’s world map? Which current countries, in other words?


2 posted on 09/14/2011 2:24:09 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: bibletruth; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

Ping to the END TIMES LIST to the OP


3 posted on 09/14/2011 2:49:28 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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bibletruth sayeth: Far too many people incorrectly identify the 10 kingdoms in Revelation 17 as the revised Roman empire...

Question: could you give us a few examples of those who incorrectly ID the 10 kingdoms as the revised Roman Empire?

8 posted on 09/14/2011 4:30:31 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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Psalm 83 by Barry and Batya
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

17 posted on 09/14/2011 8:44:19 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: bibletruth; Ezekiel
Correct, Psalm 83 lists the 10 nations, now…

Here’s a few more facts you might find interesting!

Amman (Jordan) is situated on hilly area of north-western Jordan. The city was originally built on seven hills, but it now spans over an area of nineteen hills (each known as a Jabal, Tál, Mount or Mountain). The main areas of Amman gain their names from the hills and mountains on whose slopes they lie. The city's elevation changes from mountain to mountain. They range from 740 to 1400 m (2035–3610 feet).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amman,_Jordan

This one’s off the scale!

Find a map of the middle east, print it out then rotate it 90 degrees (so West becomes North) then check out Revelation 9.

Map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_ref_july_2011.pdf

Revelation 9

7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

Now catalog the countries:

Horses prepared for battle: Turkey is the rider with upraised arm

Crowns of Gold: Sinai

Faces of men: Jordan

Women’s hair: Lebanon

Lions teeth: Jordan

Breastplates of iron: Iraq

Wings: See ‘no fly zone over Iraq’

Scorpion tails: Somalia and UAE

Another interesting fact, the UAE buys more weapons from U.S. then Israel. Israel is fourth in the M.E. behind Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE then Israel.

And now on to Daniel 7

23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

He will subdue three kings… Egypt (weapons), Libya (oil), Syria? as always there’s lots more!

Buckle up, cause the ride just gets wilder!
John Lennon

Also, compare the iron and bronze from Daniel 7 19 “Then I wanted to know the meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws.

With Nebuchadnezzar’s dream in Daniel 4 14 He called in a loud voice: ‘Cut down the tree and trim off its branches; strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the animals flee from under it and the birds from its branches. 15 But let the stump and its roots, bound with iron and bronze, remain in the ground, in the grass of the field.

Iron and bronze…which is also what oil wells are constructed of.

Later…

23 posted on 09/14/2011 10:31:11 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Chi ha-Olamim)
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Just saw this on BibleProphecyMan:

The Western leg of the Roman Empire has already returned in our generation. It is known as the EU or if you will, the European Union. As such let us look at what the scriptures point out to us about this last days kingdom.

The prophet Daniel points out that this kingdom will not hold together. Let’s look at the EU.

First of all, the European Union is made up of the same nations that used to be in the old Roman Empire. At the current time there are 27 members.

Second, the EU has a group of nations that they now call “The Ten”. This group of ten nations took hold July 1, 2011. Revelation 17: 12-13 tells us ten kings would come from this kingdom. Daniel 7:24-25 shows us ten horns will come this kingdom of which the Antichrist will first subdue 3 kings. These horns are the same as the ten kings in the Revelation.

Third, Daniel 2:41-43 point out the following: “Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.” as noted in the above scriptures this kingdom will not hold together. All of these things I listed are the exact same things we see happening in this revived Roman Empire now. Here is the news today concerning the possible break up of the Eurozone nations. The headline to the report is entitled: “Eurozone crisis could rip EU apart: officials”

“The eurozone crisis could wreck the European Union, top EU officials warned on Wednesday as the leaders of Germany and France held talks with Greece to avoid a default and widespread chaos. The pressure rose on all fronts with United States again expressing great concern, with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner saying European states "now recognise they are going to have to do more" to resolve to the crisis. Highlighting the threat to the global economy, Geithner is to exceptionally attend talks between European Union finance ministers and central bankers in Poland on Friday.”

Eurozone Crisis Could Rip EU Apart: Officials

29 posted on 09/15/2011 1:55:06 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking...." (2 Peter 3:3))
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http://runningfrombabylon.blogspot.com/2011/09/return-of-nephilim.html

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31 posted on 09/16/2011 7:24:35 PM PDT by Joya (Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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