Posted on 09/06/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
Too bad.
1 Peter 4:11 New International Version (©1984)
If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God.
If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ.
To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
Thanks dear
Youre doing great yourself
as usual
:)
Yes, he has to be preaching to be a false preacher though.
I mean, lets look at Angelina Jolie and her Buddhism and her son’s Buddhism..... stuff from this leaks into her movies and stories (even though she doesn’t declare that she is a Buddhist herself)
Angelina is actually learning at the same time as her son, now the people teaching her can be a false preacher, but how can she be called a false preacher when she isn’t calling for people to become Buddhist?
She even got a Buddhist Prayer tattooed to her back.
I call her, a lost sheep and not a false preacher.
I don’t watch TV hardly at all, so I might have missed it. I usually watch on You Tube etc.. just not aware of where Glen crossed this line of trying to get authority over his audience spirituality.
It is fine, it is only hate when you condemn a person to a determined future
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Telling someone they are headed for Hell isn’t condemning or hate, it is the truth. It is also the first part of recognizing you need Jesus to pay for your sins.
And you don’t catch more flies with honey than vinegar when dealing with a cult that brainwashes it members.
I have been in counter-cult ministry for almost 20 years (since I left Mormonism). I know what I am doing and it isn’t pushing people away, it is getting them to think for themselves which is the real challenge when dealing with Mormons.
Only God can convert, but he uses US to spread the information and that often involves confrontation about what is true and biblical and what is false.
You are judging a method of ministry to a people that you have no idea how to reach and a cult you have never been part of. I’ve been there, I know many many ex-mormons and I know what works and only once God starts to open their eyse do they see Mormonism for what it really is (a demonic cult).
Anger is a powerful motivator to get them to think and research and REALLY read the Bible without Mormon glasses. That is how God opens their eyes.
Get back to me on ministry methods when you have walked my path and the path of many other ex-mo Christians. Until then you are doing what you condemn, judging me.
I don't know what training you had but to allow this claim to pass without refute is just too much.
I will only speak for myself and my personal experience 25 years ago as a Mormon missionary I was NEVER, not once, told to be dishonest. It was the exact opposite.
I could speak for 100's of others that would echo my sentiments about honesty but will stop at my 40+ years of attending Mormon church 99% of the time.
Never, not once was I ever told anything other than be honest. If you remember that you were taught to be dishonest as a missionary for the life of me I can't understand where or why.
I don’t read the book of Mormon, no thank you.
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Pity
then you might understand why Mormonism is not Christianity
and why Beck is not a Christian
without stumbling around in the dark on this thread...
Do you ever read the Bible ???
In Catholicism you don’t assert authority over others unless you feel you have been personally called by God. If you assert this authority without being called, you have sinned that the sin is being a false preacher.
Many Priests have incredible stories of their calling.
Many never get called and remain deacons or monks.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp
Spiritual Fatherhood
Perhaps the most pointed New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paul’s statement, “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: “She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, “Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children” (2 Cor. 12:14); and, “My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!” (Gal. 4:19).
John said, “My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1); “No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth” (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as “fathers” (1 John 2:13–14).
By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers. Since the Bible frequently speaks of this spiritual fatherhood, we Catholics acknowledge it and follow the custom of the apostles by calling priests “father.” Failure to acknowledge this is a failure to recognize and honor a great gift God has bestowed on the Church: the spiritual fatherhood of the priesthood.
Catholics know that as members of a parish, they have been committed to a priest’s spiritual care, thus they have great filial affection for priests and call them “father.” Priests, in turn, follow the apostles’ biblical example by referring to members of their flock as “my son” or “my child” (cf. Gal. 4:19; 1 Tim. 1:18; 2 Tim. 2:1; Philem. 10; 1 Pet. 5:13; 1 John 2:1; 3 John 4).
All of these passages were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and they express the infallibly recorded truth that Christ’s ministers do have a role as spiritual fathers. Jesus is not against acknowledging that. It is he who gave these men their role as spiritual fathers, and it is his Holy Spirit who recorded this role for us in the pages of Scripture. To acknowledge spiritual fatherhood is to acknowledge the truth, and no amount of anti-Catholic grumbling will change that fact.
I don’t copy the pages from a linked site because that is stealing.
The author was kind enough to gather the information for us, so we should be kind and visit his site.
He does a very good job of explaining and linking directly to scripture.
You just have to have faith in God and Believe.
My point was the condemning of a person which isn’t very Christian.
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You have to believe rightly on core issues - Person work and nature of Christ which includes the Trinity. Mormons don’t believe in any of that the same way ALL Christians (Catholic, Evangelical, Orthodox) do.
You are the one who doesn’t ‘get it’. Beck is promoting Mormonism and doing so in a way that is deliberately deceptive. He isn’t stupid, so you can’t say he doesn’t know what he is doing. And I will fight those who teach a false Christ and lead others away from HIM regardless of who it is or where it is, Mormon or not.
This isn’t condemning a person, it is condemning false beliefs that he spreads to others who don’t know better and think Mormons are Christians or CAN be Christians.
You just have to have faith in God and Believe.
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Which God? Mormons have many and NONE of them are the God of the Bible.
I would rather not, I accept this as a fact as being a member of the Church.
I only would take this direction from a Priest or Bishop only.
Wanna bet?
Here is an alphabetical list of some of the more important terms and their meanings to a Mormon:
AARONIC PRIESTHOOD: This is called the lesser priesthood, and is usually held by young men starting at the age of 12 to the age of about 18. It is also held for a short time by men who have just become members.
AFTERLIFE: The Mormon afterlife is divided up into four levels. From the lowest to the highest they are: hell, and then three levels of heaven: the telestial, the terrestrial, and the place where God dwells, the celestial (also called the kingdom of God). The celestial is also divided, the highest level being "exaltation," or becoming a God.
APOSTLES: The Mormon Church claims to have the same organization as the primitive church that Jesus set up. They also have twelve apostles and sometimes use this as a proof of their divine appointment as the one true church. But they actually have fifteen or more most of the time. The general practice has been for a new president, who is also an apostle, to appoint counselors from the Quorum of the Twelve; then the openings left by the president and his counselors are filled, resulting in a total of fifteen.
ELESTIAL KINGDOM: See Heaven.
ELOHIM: The name of God the Father.
EXALTATION: This is becoming a God in the highest level of the celestial kingdom.
ETERNAL PROGRESSION: The teaching that each of us has the potential to become a God just like God the Father did. He was once a man capable of physical death, was resurrected and progressed to become a God. We can take a similar path and get all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge the Father and Jesus Christ has. We then will be able to procreate spirit children who will worship us as we do God the Father.
GOD: Usually means God the Father. He was once a man like us capable of physical death and he progressed until he became a God. He has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. Within Mormonism, Gods, angels, people and devils all have the same nature or substance but are at different stages along the line of progression to Godhood.
GRACE - The Mormon concept of grace means making oneself worthy of the grace of God by doing good works in the church, temple, and community.
HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.
HOLY GHOST: The third member of the Godhead, a personage of spirit, unlike the Father and Son who have bodies of flesh and bones.
JEHOVAH: The pre-incarnate name for Jesus Christ.
JESUS CHRIST: The spirit of Jesus Christ was the first spirit born to God the Father and his wife (Heavenly Mother). He progressed to become a God under the Father. (The Father is also the literal father of Jesus' body in the exact same way we were begotten by our earthly parents.) He now has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. He is the spirit brother of Satan whose spirit was procreated in the same way as Jesus'. To Mormons, even the atonement of his shed blood is not enough to provide forgiveness of sin and bring eternal life. Stripped of his Deity and demoted to a partial Savior, the Jesus of Mormonism has been robbed of his power and authority. Not only is the Mormon Jesus one who had struggled to achieve his own salvation, he also failed to establish his church. Both in Jerusalem and in the America's where Jesus was supposed to have visited, he attempted to build a group of followers. But in each case, truth was overcome by the alleged early church apostasy into false teaching.
MARRIAGE: The Mormon Church teaches two types of marriage. One ends at death. The other is for "time and eternity." If the couple is married in a Mormon temple by someone with authority it is believed they will stay married in the next life. This kind of marriage is needed if they are to progress, not only as husband and wife, but as God and Goddess.
MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD: The higher of two categories of ministry in the LDS Church, assigned primarily to seasoned members over the age of 18, males only.
POLYGAMY: The practice of men having more than one wife was started by Joseph Smith in the early/mid 1830's and ostensibly ended in 1890. It is not now sanctioned by the LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City. Members found practicing it are excommunicated. While the practice was ended, the revelation teaching it is still in Mormon scripture (Doctrine & Covenants 132). Some Mormon splinter groups believe the teaching was for eternity and still practice it. These modern-day polygamists (called fundamentalists) number in the 30,000-50,000 range.
PRE-EXISTENCE: The Mormon teaching that our spirits (Mormons and non-Mormons) were procreated in a premortal life by God the Father and our Mother in Heaven, that our spirits were born and raised to maturity before coming to earth to obtain physical bodies, and that the spirit of Jesus Christ was the first one born to our Heavenly parents.
PRIESTHOOD: A category of ministry in the LDS Church open to all worthy males 12 years of age or older, empowering them to act in God's name. Non-Mormons cannot hold the priesthood, hence they have no authority. Men of African descent have only recently (by special correction of the original revelations) been allowed to hold these offices.
PROPHET: The top leader of the Mormon Church is considered not only a prophet but is also a seer and revelator. He has the title "president." He is the only one who can speak for the whole church and receive new revelation for the whole church. When the current prophet dies, the most senior (time as an apostle, not age) of the twelve apostles, the president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, becomes the new president. He can appoint counselors, who receive their authority from him.
SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:
The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".
SATAN: One of the spirit children of God. As a consequence of their rebellion Satan and his angels cannot have mortal bodies - hence cannot progress.
SCRIPTURES: The Mormon Church has four documents it calls canonized scriptures: the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and the King James Version of the Holy Bible.
SON OF GOD: Along with Jesus Christ, all of us are viewed as the children of God, his literal spirit children. This makes us all - Mormons, non-Mormons, Jesus Christ and Satan - spirit brothers.
SPIRITS: Nonmaterial beings allegedly procreated in the pre-existence by God the Father and his wife. Jesus Christ, and even we ourselves, were supposedly born and raised to maturity as spirits before coming into bodies on this earth. The spirit of Satan was also procreated in this way. This makes Satan and Jesus Christ spirit brothers. Jesus selected a righteous path; Satan selected the opposite.
STANDARD WORKS: The four canonized scriptures (see Scripture above) used by the Mormon Church are called the Standard Works.
TEMPLE: One of about four dozen special (for LDS) buildings around the world in which sacred (to LDS) ceremonies are performed for the living and the dead; off limits to nonmembers and even to Mormons who lack a "temple recommend" from their leaders. Only about 20% of the Mormons qualify to go.
TRINITY: This word is used by Christians to summarize the Biblical teaching that within the one true God is three persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. They share the same nature or substance so that there are not three Gods, but three persons in the one God. Mormons say they also believe in the Trinitarian concept of God. But really what they mean are that God the Father is a God, God the Son is another God, and God the Holy Ghost is a third God and they are "one God" because they are "one in purpose." Mormons often have an incorrect understanding of what Christians mean by the "Trinity." They say Christians believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one person (i.e., Monophysiteism) or that God shows himself as the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost (i.e. Modalism).
VIRGIN BIRTH: A concept negated by the view that God, a resurrected man with flesh and bones according to Mormon teachings, literally fathered Jesus in the flesh in the same way in which earthly men father their children. Despite the documented position of previous Mormon prophets, presidents, and apostles about the nature of Christ's conception, modern LDS apologists maintain that "Christ was born of a virgin". How can they? By changing the definition of the word "virgin". The reasoning goes like this: since Mary had sexual relations with an immortal man, not a mortal man, the phrase "virgin birth" still applies.
WORD OF WISDOM: The name for the Mormon Church's teaching requiring abstinence from tobacco, alcohol, and hot drinks (tea and coffee).
dila813: Again, you can condemn Mormonism till the cows come home.
Nana: Well God does so we do, too...and that would be cureloms
dila813: I don’t read the book of Mormon, no thank you.
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I went back and read what I had said in my previous post...
You answer doesnt make a lick of sense ...
How can you agree with Mormonism when you dont know anything about the religion
or whether or not it lines up with Christianity and what the God of the Bible has to say ???
BTW I didnt mention the book of mormon in that post...
BTW Have you ever read any of the Koran ???
How then do you decide whether or not Islam might or might not be OK ???
Hey Beck thinks Islam is OK...
(Gollies it must be then if Beck likes it and accepts it
better not condemn Islam or Beck will get upset)
really, I have never heard that
I have to ask about that.
And just where did yoiu find enough straw for THIS?
I don’t copy the pages from a linked site because that is stealing.
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Gollies dont let that stop you
youve been back biting Christians in this thread all day
you werent cautious then...
It doesn’t matter what they define them as, you said they were able to change the global accepted definition in use world wide in multiple translations including the English one.
It would be the same if I made up definitions, no one care what I thought, it has no meaning.
I reposted it.
YOU show the condemnation.
For not being a Mormon as I am you sure speak for them a lot.
Perhaps you made fun of Evangelicals and Catholics when you were a Mormon, and that says something about you, but to make this blanket statement in this manner paints a distorted picture.
Is that your intent?
Another person who had a profound affect on my leaving mormonism is my now (and only) husband.
We grew up together off and on and one day I thought he was going to ask me out (we had just started at the same college) and instead he told me he could no longer be friends with me because I was Mormon (I converted in High school) and I was headed for Hell and it hurt him.
I moved to Utah shortly after that but I never forgot it, his blunt comment (judging or attacking to you) hurt me, but it also haunted me. I never forgot it. Some years later as I was leaving Mormonism, he was the first one I called to tell. He was also instrumental in my becoming a Christian - before we even started to date.
Bluntness works.
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