Posted on 09/06/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
Did Jesus walk up to Prostitutes and say you are going to hell, or did he have another way of bring people to God.
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Well actually yes He did
The Pharissees were like prostitutes...
Your presumptions that people are attacking Glenn Beck’s soul on this thread are incorrect. Posters are simply pointing out that Beck shouldn’t be trusted as a spiritual guide or teacher. Noone has judged him to hell. However, they have correctly pointed out that he hasn’t distanced himself from the errors of mormonism and hasn’t made statements that align with the truth of the Bible.
Going an attacking someone isn’t preaching God’s message, it is simple rejecting them.
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WOW
How are you on saying that to the LORD Jesus Christ ???
Go read them again, he was talking about the behavior, he didn’t point at someone and say you are in violation and therefore going to hell.
He didn’t .... Hey there Mike, you stole so you are going to hell
No, He told a group of people that included Mike that if you steal another’s property you will go to hell
One is focused on a person, the other on the behavior, that is the key difference. One is judgment of a person, the other is judgment of a behavior.
You could have just said that.......
Go reread, you obviously must have not got the message.
Go reread, you obviously must have not got the message.
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Youre attacking me !!!
Well before we go here, you have to deal with the presumption that he is trying to be a faith teacher of some kind.
I would have asked him that question directly then gone with his answer from there.
This article didn’t even deal with this, go reread it.
It immediately went into attacking Glen Beck by saying he isn’t a Christian.
The attack wasn’t due to him declaring himself a Faith Teacher or Pastor or what ever .... that premise was never discussed in the article as a central point if at all.
really, Pharissees condemned to hell .... are you sure he wasn’t talking about the behavior or did personally invoke them?
I would like to know in what Bible and Verse this is.
He coauthored a spiritual book and has led spiritual rallies, so yes, he is trying to be a faith teacher.
“really, Pharissees condemned to hell .... are you sure he wasn’t talking about the behavior or did personally invoke them?
I would like to know in what Bible and Verse this is.”
How about Matthew 23:29-33
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”
You are judging again, you can just ask him
Do you think he won’t answer honestly?
Why not submit that as a question?
Godzilla, Thanks for the response.
Entertain the following possibility. I don’t say it’s a certainty, but consider it.
Christianity, as an institution, and all relics/objects/books/traditions associated with it, have been heavily influenced by a world that does NOT accept its basic message, and turned into something like ancestor worship.
Having said that, I myself try to commune with Christ and God. I don’t know how to measure success, but try to be faithful and optimistic about it.
And if a person were really hurting, with serious life problems, then I can think of nothing better than to ask God and/or Christ to intervene, and to express faith and hope to him/them personally. That’s what any Christian of any stripe would do, I think.
Read the entire Matthew 23, he is talking about behavior and he is saying that these guys were engaged in this behavior and there are condemning themselves. .. testifying against themselves by their own statements.
Go read them again, he was talking about the behavior, he didn’t point at someone and say you are in violation and therefore going to hell.
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Oh dear
“YOU VIPERS !!!”
“YOU HYPOCRITES !!!”
“YOU WHITED SEPULCHRES !!!”
ah, was kinda personal just to the Pharisees and others and didnt include all the rest of the crowd...
Lets see just what the LORD Jesus Christ said...
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to Hell? Matthew 23:23-33
what are you talking about? What is there to ask?
He wrote a book regarding spirituality and has made many public statements about faith. The mormon church is using his testimony as a recruiting tool to gain more converts.
If he were concerned about people being led to false teachings, why would he put his name to a book filled with error? What was his purpose in co-authoring that book? Why has he given his testimony publically stating why he joined the mormon church? If he were a bible believing Christian why wouldn’t he denounce the false teachings of mormonism?
No dear, you need to understand that we have the authority to judge everything against the Word of God. Only He can judge someones heart.
I am sorry for you, so desperate to not judge (mistakenly) that you have judged everyone on this board.
I am sorry for you, that you are so desperate to defend Beck that you ignore his preaching of mormonISM and the harm those beliefs will do to a person’s soul.
I am sorry for you, that you do not apparently understand the differences between judging mormonISM against the Word of God and a personal attach.
Do you think he won’t answer honestly?
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Beck has lied up till now
What makes the future any different ???
Are you for serious?
Let's say the Southern Baptist has some celebrity church member convert. And its resident publishing house does a DVD about his conversion to the Southern Baptist church with his permission -- and oh, btw, he also gets a "cut" of the profits.
But then, we're to take your uninformed word on it that this Southern Baptist's convert has limited or no linkages of his personal beliefs to that which the Southern Baptist church stands for.
Really? We're simply to take your presumptions at face value on this? (Your presumptions -- your assumptions -- that there's no personal interface 'tween the convert and his church?)
That's what makes your ongoing theme on this thread truly ironic. Here you consistently preach against "assumptions"...like these two posts:
You are talking about a man, not a religion, maybe you should ask him before you assume [post #59 to Tennessee Nana]
I am a Roman Catholic, but I would be really embarrassed if everyone assumed that every dogma, belief, etc.. could be projected on me. [post #81 to Colofornian]
Yet, without any specific knowledge offered up by you one way or the other -- we're just to take your...
...word
-- your presumption
-- your assumption
-- that Glenn Beck really doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Mormonism.
You see, Dila, assumptions work both ways. Some people can...
...wrongfully assume that all Mormons believe all things Mormon;
...and then, there are those who go beyond incredulity and assume that all Mormons -- or at least certain celebrity Mormons -- don't believe key things distinctively Mormon.
ALL of the above can be based upon assumption. And your assumptions have no "higher ground" than any other assumptions. Your speculations have no special elite platforms than any others.
At least the DVD testimony linkage offers knowledge upon which to base linkages.
In contrast, does your assumption offer any tidbits of knowledge or insight to Beck personally?
Nope.
Instead, you just assume away. All as you point fingers at others re: your accusations of assumptions.
Should we believe what you preach (re: not to assume)?
Or should we believe what you practice (your assumption that Glenn Beck is not linked to key Mormon beliefs & practices and to the church itself)?
This is just more of your same two-faced hypocrisy we've seen where you said one thing to me -- judging me to be "evil" and devil-like in post #14...and then by post #101, telling a poster not to "condemn the man though, for that makes you the judge of this man which is to claim authority over him."
Tell us, Dila, how did calling me "evil" in post #14 and labeling me devil-like somehow keep you from attempting to have authority over me? (Your claim in post #101 indicates that your critique of me was some kind of authoritative judgmental power play over me) Or to ask yourself your own Q, does post #14 indicate that "you think yourself a God?"
How was calling me "evil" and devil-like showing "your love of" me and how was that then in your mind "pull[ing]" me "to Christ" and "convert[ing]" me?
So, apparently it was "A-OK" for you to engage in what you label as "hate" and "personal attacks" in post #14, but by 2.5 hours later, you were on the lecture circuit to another poster in post #101 spouting against the above.
Sorry, but your inconsistencies are quite glaring.
really, Pharissees condemned to hell .... are you sure he wasn’t talking about the behavior or did personally invoke them?
I would like to know in what Bible and Verse this is.
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Kid God has never been into warm fuzzy mamby pamby Kumbya New Age Theocracy...
Read the Christian Bible for yourself
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