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To: Jvette; Quix; metmom; presently no screen name; CynicalBear
Catholic doctrine does not teach other than Mary a sinner in need of a Savior. The difference is in when she received the grace of Jesus.

Sorry - - but sadly you're wrong. From the Catechism of the [Roman} Catholic Church:

"969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

Emphasis mine.

Well, it appears here that the Roman Catholic Church teaches (as this is a direct quote from the Roman Catholic Catechism, from the Vatican website) that Mary is an intercessor for mankind -- that she brings gifts of eternal salvation. It also ascribes to her the title of 'Mediatrix.' This is NOT Biblical....

1 Tim. 2:5-6:

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."

One mediator. Not two. Yet the Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary is a Mediatrix. Who is right? God's word, or the Roman Catholic Catechism?

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that she is a co-redemptrix with Christ:

"494 At the announcement that she would give birth to "the Son of the Most High" without knowing man, by the power of the Holy Spirit, Mary responded with the obedience of faith, certain that "with God nothing will be impossible": "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word."139 Thus, giving her consent to God's word, Mary becomes the mother of Jesus. Espousing the divine will for salvation wholeheartedly, without a single sin to restrain her, she gave herself entirely to the person and to the work of her Son; she did so in order to serve the mystery of redemption with him and dependent on him, by God's grace:"

Emphasis mine.

"..to serve the mystery of redemption WITH HIM...." Really? According the Jesus Christ himself in John 14:6:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Who to believe? Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church?

Hoss. "

784 posted on 09/05/2011 2:25:45 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: HossB86
Who to believe? Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church?

No fair. That's a trick question.

787 posted on 09/05/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: HossB86; Jvette; Quix; metmom; presently no screen name
>> Who to believe? Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church?<<

More and more the admonition must be repeated. “"Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;”

792 posted on 09/05/2011 2:48:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: HossB86

Well, you quote one thing and then “prove” another.

Mary needed a savior and her Savior is Jesus.

What you have quoted are attributes of Mary which come to her through the FULLNESS of her GRACE which she received from Jesus, just as we do.

Again and again and again I explain that Mary would not be any of those things without her Son. The Catholic church does not say that she is EQUAL or ABOVE the Trinity.

Nothing in that passage says otherwise. Is the gift of salvation Jesus? Then she did indeed bear the gift of salvation to the world.

And if one truly reads what is written in official doctrine of the Church, one will see that Mary always draws her spiritual children to her Son.

Protestants do not see her that way, and I have never vilified or condemned one for lacking that devotion. The same cannot be said for protestants toward me and my belief.

Vilify me if you will, but at least do it for my real beliefs and not the warped presentations of it made here.


801 posted on 09/05/2011 3:07:08 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: HossB86
Well, it appears here that the Roman Catholic Church teaches (as this is a direct quote from the Roman Catholic Catechism, from the Vatican website) that Mary is an intercessor for mankind -- that she brings gifts of eternal salvation. It also ascribes to her the title of 'Mediatrix.' This is NOT Biblical....

Oh, it's far, far worse. We teach that YOU are an intercessor for all mankind.

803 posted on 09/05/2011 3:10:42 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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